Why God in any Majro Religion would desire Post-Humanism for Humanity

Originally posted by Newjak
Since we can not do such a thing and observe it we ultimately can not know if Free Will exists or not.

This is a very reasonable conclusion, however it raises an equally reasonable question. How does fiction happen?

Let me explain: Free Will is the manifestation that sets appart things that will exist and those that won't, in general, we think in the basis of hypothetical assumptions to understand the universe because we cannot fully experience anything. So Free Will is producing hypothetical situations, and those fictions are implied through each choice but they never actually exist. Its a machine that makes lies. But some lies could've happened, while in deterministic models there is just one thing that happens and contains the rest, what do we do of that things that were potentially possible in opposite to those that could've never happened anyways?

I think there is something inherently disappointing about that, as if our mind placed some sympathy towards missed opportunities.

Originally posted by Digi
Then #2 through #infinity would be the same, unless you're doing something like telling them which # iteration this is, which would create different starting conditions.

You're saying that one of the universes is a "free will" universe. Fine, ok. It exists entirely in the hypothetical, though. If we're to make a case for free will in our universe, that uncertainty you ascribe to it would still need to be explained.

Take a step back and pretend you're God.

In a universe with free-will (which I am defining as uncertainty regarding a choice outcome even if time is rewound), a test that maximizes the uncertainty of a choice that comes from free-will would see randomization.

Just telling the people what they chose, in their very first iteration (and continuing to tell them only what they chose in their first iteration) should maximize that uncertainty and everyone would randomly chose 1 or the other...maybe there would still be a favoring due to the sum of the person but this version is intended to maximize the uncertainty of choice. It is like a dice roll in a D&D Game but you're playing with 3 dice so you have an absolute knowledge of what the highest and lowest results will be in every test: all 1 or all the other (the lowest or the highest possible dice-roll).

This universe? Heck yes. It is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more uncertain than either of our two hypothetical universes. So much so that I have no clue how the test would work. Shit just be cray cray in this universe.

If Digi was God would he still mod the Comicbook forums?

Originally posted by Bentley
If Digi was God would he still mod the Comicbook forums?

No, he'd create a planet full of hot women with large breasts that only wanted his D. Then he'd give himself infinite stamina and make them all ageless and immortal.

He would spend eternity in his Mormon heaven.

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Originally posted by Newjak
Since we can not do such a thing and observe it we ultimately can not know if Free Will exists or not.

Originally posted by Newjak
I personally think most problems start when people blindly follow the meta-physical concepts to the point where it becomes unproductive and hurtful to society.

Almost? Isn't that the idea behind the US Congress?

Originally posted by Mindship
Which is why I regard FW as a functional 'as-if'.

Agreed, since we cannot act as though free will doesn't exist there is no point trying to do so.

Originally posted by Mindship
Which is why I regard FW as a functional 'as-if'.

Sounds almost like the United States Congress.