Thor vs Sentry (See details)

Originally posted by pym-ftw
So every flying brick is a superman clone?

Originally posted by Damborgson
No they're not. What? Simon doesn't have Superman level speed, not even when fudged. At the beginning of his career he couldn't fly under his own power either.

Not to mention very different character traits, origins, appearance...there's nothing there.

Nearly every flying brick with superman's powerset is different than superman in those traits. Doesn't mean they aren't clones though. Take gladiator for example.

Originally posted by abhilegend

May I ask why? Also nobody except flash has superman level speed. Simon did have superspeed though.

Nearly every flying brick with superman's powerset is different than superman in those traits. Doesn't mean they aren't clones though. Take gladiator for example.

Just having Super speed shouldn't be the criteria of a clone, since Wonderman has never used his speed in a way that would be similar to Superman's. The occasional rush is about as far as he goes with it.

Gladiator is an alien, with a weakness to certain radiations, whose real name is "KALLARK" with super strength, invulnerability, Speed which he commonly utilizes, heat vision, super breath, etc. That one's obvious. Same with Sentry who has a freaking "S" on his costume.

Gladiator is a Superman clone.

I never really thought of Wonder Man as being one though. I wouldn't say he's any more a Superman clone than say, Wonder Woman or the like.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Gladiator is a Superman clone.

Yep.

Originally posted by -Pr-

I never really thought of Wonder Man as being one though. I wouldn't say he's any more a Superman clone than say, Wonder Woman or the like.

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Originally posted by tkitna
How is Marvels Thor original? The only reason he might stand out is because he's a flagship character. The other company's Thor has the same powers. Super strength, Weather powers, and magic. Its all the same. You can cry all you want, but there's really no comparison to Superman except for super strength, and al versions of Thor have that. Sorry to crap on all of the Thor fans, but surely you realize this. If DC pushed their Thor or Image even, whats the difference? He's not even close to Superman in power set. Its silly really. Gladiator, Hyperion, and even Sentry are way closer to Superman then Thor. I just think its sad, that Marvels main tough guy (besides Hulk) was basically copied from norse mythology. Anybody could have done that.

You people do realize that Hulk was based on Jekyll and Hyde dont you? Hardly original.

...what?

Are you calling Thor unoriginal, but supporting Sentry for his originality?

Well, anyway, as a Thor fan, I can tell how Thor's actually a pretty original character for Marvel.

First of all, the concept of the character was obviously inspired by Norse myth albeit with huge liberties. The style of art and story telling was also very original for Marvel at the time as it blended traditional superhero stories with ancient myth, science fiction, and fantasy. Marvel's Thor was the one character (and is still the primary one on in the company) to be able to effectively work in multiple genres on a drop of a hat. He's also only designed to be "Superman" like in terms of power level. In terms of status and character role in the MU, the "Superman" of the company is Captain America, hands down. DC and Image versions of Thor don't nearly possess the same depth and characterization of the character as Marvel has, whose clearly surpassed his mythological counterpart in terms of both. And I highly doubt that "anyone" could have taken a character from myth and made him into an iconic Marvel character that's endured for decades on end like Stan Lee and Jack Kirby did.

In fact, I know that not just "anybody" could do that.

Jake, bro, you don't get it.

There have been created other Thor characters, so obviously Thor can't be original! Right?

smh

lol, it's just mind boggling that anyone can bust Thor for not being original, but support Sentry for that very same quality.

Like, I get the fact that Thor is clearly based from mythology whereas other characters are inspired by certain aspects of other fictional characters, but really, Marvel's Thor is clearly an original concept in terms of the stories told, art drawn, etc. If Marvel's interpretation of Thor was the basis for myth back then, one could only imagine what inspiration for stories we'd have today.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Then they are. Superman level strength, speed and durability makes someone a clone, simon fits the bill completely.

LOL So everyone whose strong and fast is a Superman copy. And if they fly, then damn they must be a clone.

Even Superman wasn't created out of the blue. Inspirations include the pulp-magazine character Doc Savage (eg, "Man of Bronze", first name is Clark) and Wylie's "Gladiator" (who was very much like Golden Age, pre-flying Superman).

Thor was never intended to be Marvel's Superman. Marvel wasn't even interested in Superman clones until after the first Marvel/DC crossover in '76 (Gladiator appeared in '77), when companies began to acknowledge each other.

Gladiator and the shiar imperial guard are a homage to superboy and the legion of superheroes. sentry is a homage to silver-age superman. majestic is a an obvious homage to SM as well.

wonder man can't be said to be a superman clone IMO, but superman (once flight was introduced) did originate the basic flying brick concept - just how derived from superman each flying brick is must be analyzed on a case to case basis.

It's not a matter of all companies wanting their own SM, some authors want to make a homage while others just wanna use the powerset template which has already been ingrained in superheroe culture - much like the psionic (tk/tp), the hulk type of brick, the wolverine feral fighter and the super-martial artist templates have.

I actually think DC mass produces more "superman clones" than any other company

Lol, sorry but when a character like Thor is solidily based on something,in this case...norse mythology....you cant call Thor original...

Originally posted by 753
It's not a matter of all companies wanting their own SM, some authors want to make a homage while others just wanna use the powerset template which has already been ingrained in superheroe culture - much like the psionic (tk/tp), the hulk type of brick, the wolverine feral fighter and the super-martial artist templates have.

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Originally posted by TheHulk
Lol, sorry but when a character like Thor is solidily based on something,in this case...norse mythology....you cant call Thor original...

Originally posted by 753
he's as original as any other comic books character

Originally posted by TheHulk
I guess your meaning of "Original" is different from the worlds 😉

lmao, I guess you never read any Hume 😆

Originally posted by curryman
lmao, I guess you never read any Hume 😆

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
...what?

Are you calling Thor unoriginal, but supporting Sentry for his originality?

Well, anyway, as a Thor fan, I can tell how Thor's actually a pretty original character for Marvel.

First of all, the concept of the character was obviously inspired by Norse myth albeit with huge liberties. The style of art and story telling was also very original for Marvel at the time as it blended traditional superhero stories with ancient myth, science fiction, and fantasy. Marvel's Thor was the one character (and is still the primary one on in the company) to be able to effectively work in multiple genres on a drop of a hat. He's also only designed to be "Superman" like in terms of power level. In terms of status and character role in the MU, the "Superman" of the company is Captain America, hands down. DC and Image versions of Thor don't nearly possess the same depth and characterization of the character as Marvel has, whose clearly surpassed his mythological counterpart in terms of both. And I highly doubt that "anyone" could have taken a character from myth and made him into an iconic Marvel character that's endured for decades on end like Stan Lee and Jack Kirby did.

In fact, I know that not just "anybody" could do that.

Who's supporting Sentry for being original? I realize he's a Superman clone or intended to be one. Heck, when he was around people kept crying that Marvel didnt need a Superman. Thats not it at all. What I was saying is that I think its sad that Marvels main tough guy is a direct copy from norse mythology, and yes, anybody could have thought that up. Like I said, its so original that every comic company has used a Thor, its just they dont push him. I dont care how he's used, the fact remains that he is nothing more then the Thor in norse mythology. He has the same powers, the same father, the same brother in Loki, the same asgard. It's not hard, but your trying to make him into something more for some reason. Superman was and is a more original character. How can't he be?

Originally posted by TheHulk
I guess your meaning of "Original" is different from the worlds 😉

Originally posted by tkitna
Who's supporting Sentry for being original? I realize he's a Superman clone or intended to be one. Heck, when he was around people kept crying that Marvel didnt need a Superman. Thats not it at all. What I was saying is that I think its sad that Marvels main tough guy is a direct copy from norse mythology, and yes, anybody could have thought that up. Like I said, its so original that every comic company has used a Thor, its just they dont push him. I dont care how he's used, the fact remains that he is nothing more then the Thor in norse mythology. He has the same powers, the same father, the same brother in Loki, the same asgard. It's not hard, but your trying to make him into something more for some reason. Superman was and is a more original character. How can't he be?