Superman and Silver Surfer vs Thor and Loki

Superman more than pulls Surfer's weight through Thor, and Surfer can at least negate Superman's vulnerability to magic and amp him with cosmic awareness.

Even if Loki amps Thor in the same way, they can never take out an evolving Superman. Bar none.

Never mess with SS and S.

I always take All-Star into consideration. That MOS was cumulatively inexorable. I will always use what getting too close to the sun did to him as an example. Mitosis, deleterious cell build up, apoptosis, triple strength, unknown amount of new super powers, super imagination, super creativity, who knows what he's capable of in that state.

All-Star Superman isn't canon, so really, I'm unsure why anyone would take into consideration here.

Surfer + Superman can become a very powerful combo as their powers can complement each other very well

Superman is the better shield/melee fighter while Surfer is the energy master and range attacker

Surfer can also amp Superman with solar radiation making Superman reach hulk-like power amps

this will be a tough fight for Thor/Loki

Originally posted by Dolos
Superman more than pulls Surfer's weight through Thor, and Surfer can at least negate Superman's vulnerability to magic and amp him with cosmic awareness.

How would Surfer negate his vulnerability to magic?

He's not a magician.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
All-Star Superman isn't canon, so really, I'm unsure why anyone would take into consideration here.

If you don't, fair enough. It's all a matter of writer's interpretation of whether or not canon Superman would respond that way. And Grant Morrison wrote All-Star Superman, as well as Canon Superman, so there you go. It's my interpretation that the Superman's powers are random mutations, that aren't necessarily stable - and have no set upper limit.

Surfer isn't likely to amp Superman any more than he's likely to drain him in a fight against each other.

This isn't a tourney guys; please keep it within the realms of the characters.

We're not here to interpret vague intentions of writers. That would get us nowhere considering how unbelievably conflicting they are.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Surfer isn't likely to amp Superman any more than he's likely to drain him in a fight against each other.

This isn't a tourney guys; please keep it within the realms of the characters.

Could you please update Dolos on the rules on something?

He keeps bringing up non-canon stories, movies and things like that...

All-Star isn't canon, and that Superman can't be used in debates about other versions of Superman.

End of.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Surfer isn't likely to amp Superman any more than he's likely to drain him in a fight against each other.

This isn't a tourney guys; please keep it within the realms of the characters.

If he can do it, isn't it in the rules that it's a viable strategy in a vs debate where anything goes?

At worst you have OWAW Superman who effortlessly shoved planets across untold distances with untold velocity. OWAW IS canon.

Originally posted by Dolos
If he can do it, isn't it in the rules that it's a viable strategy in a vs debate where anything goes?

At worst you have OWAW Superman who effortlessly shoved planets across untold distances with untold velocity. OWAW IS canon.

We still go by the character's personality and most likely behaviour. These aren't just powersets that we get to insert our own ideas in to like some sort of blank canvas.

Who's arguing about OWAW?

Originally posted by -Pr-
We still go by the character's personality and most likely behaviour. These aren't just powersets that we get to insert our own ideas in to like some sort of blank canvas.

Then wouldn't Surfer's behavior change if he's about to be eradicated?

Why hold bars?

Because team 1 is potentially a lot more powerful?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Surfer isn't likely to amp Superman any more than he's likely to drain him in a fight against each other.

This isn't a tourney guys; please keep it within the realms of the characters.

he wouldnt drain him since he wouldnt know supe's weaknesses

but since they're on the same team, superman would likely let surfer know how he is powered (given that surfer manipulates energy) and therefore surfer is very likely to amp superman when he is weakned by giving him a mega dose of solar energy

superman is extremely smart so he would utilize his teammates powers to his advantage

Originally posted by Dolos
Then wouldn't Surfer's behavior change if he's about to be eradicated?

Why hold bars?

Because team 1 is potentially a lot more powerful?

his behaviour would change somewhat, but not outside the realm of his character.

hold bars?

Originally posted by Starscream M
no you're wrong

he wouldnt drain him since he wouldnt know supe's weaknesses

but since they're on the same team, superman would likely let surfer know how he is powered (given that surfer manipulates energy) and therefore surfer is very likely to amp superman when he is weakned by giving him a mega dose of solar energy

superman is extremely smart so he would utilize his teammates powers to his advantage

Shut up.

Originally posted by Starscream M
no you're wrong

he wouldnt drain him since he wouldnt know supe's weaknesses

but since they're on the same team, superman would likely let surfer know how he is powered (given that surfer manipulates energy) and therefore surfer is very likely to amp superman when he is weakned by giving him a mega dose of solar energy

superman is extremely smart so he would utilize his teammates powers to his advantage

To ominous effects.

OWAW Sundipped Superman was a monster.

Originally posted by Starscream M
no you're wrong

he wouldnt drain him since he wouldnt know supe's weaknesses

but since they're on the same team, superman would likely let surfer know how he is powered (given that surfer manipulates energy) and therefore surfer is very likely to amp superman when he is weakned by giving him a mega dose of solar energy

superman is extremely smart so he would utilize his teammates powers to his advantage

The argument is Surfer using Cosmic Awarness to bolster Superman's attributes with the application of yellow sun, much like how people suggest the opposite happening with Cosmic Awarness telling Surfer to bombard Superman with red solar energy if the two were to fight. Neither is really all that likely to happen given Surfer's history and personality.

Superman's entire personality is built around the idea that he's a meat shield for everyone else.

He's not going to turn to Surfer at the start of the fight and ask for an amp, just like he doesn't turn to Green Lantern on a regular basis and ask for one either. He knows he has enough in the tank to get him through almost any fight he gets in to.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
The argument is Surfer using Cosmic Awarness to bolster Superman's attributes with the application of yellow sun, much like how people suggest the opposite happening with Cosmic Awarness telling Surfer to bombard Superman with red solar energy if the two were to fight. Neither is really all that likely to happen given Surfer's history and personality.

Originally posted by Starscream M
no Im not saying surfer's gonna detect superman's solar power basis...Im saying superman, after fighting awhile will understand surfer's powers are energy based, and will likely ask surfer to hit him with a dose of solar energy

He won't.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Superman's entire personality is built around the idea that he's a meat shield for everyone else.

He's not going to turn to Surfer at the start of the fight and ask for an amp, just like he doesn't turn to Green Lantern on a regular basis and ask for one either. He knows he has enough in the tank to get him through almost any fight he gets in to.

but this will be a LONG ass battle

and when superman is weakened by the midpoint, he will likely ask surfer to boost him with a solar energy charge

Originally posted by Starscream M
not saying superman will ask for the amp in the beginning...i agree he won't

but this will be a LONG ass battle

and when superman is weakened by the midpoint, he will likely ask surfer to boost him with a solar energy charge

Originally posted by -Pr-
He won't.