Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusLost and overpowered aren't exclusive terms.
I'm not ignoring anything. You said earlier Loki lost, now you're arguing that Surfer was overpowering him. Neither is supported tbh.Honestly, I don't remember any of that and I can't find the issue on piratebay so agree to disagree on this part or you win. Whatever you like.
All those little remarks serve a great deal to explain how Lee viewed the character, that issue was heavier on exclamations then thought bubbles and narrative text.
It's been a very long time since I've read the actual issue but I don't believe he ever thought Surfer was going to be able to beat Thor, not on his own. Like it was said, what hope does Surfer have if Loki could not accomplish it? Hence why he amped his might significantly.
In that story, he was ridiculously powerful. Re-read it, look at how he was handling Thor. It was freaking insane; one of his best feats along with taking on Skyfather level Set in his own realm. Just like the barrier thing, it reflects on how crazy powerful Loki's magic can be.
It's in ODG's "Magical Loki respect thread" that you brought up earlier, or whatever masturbating use of words you used for it.
Or it was a Loki servant hyping up his buddy. Loki also thought Surfer was a weak pussy who was no match for Loki. He found out he was wrong, just as the servant would have if he accomplished anymore than looking at Surfer for 3 seconds.
No, but it makes no sense for him to hold back when he's testing Surfer to fight Thor.
That still doesn't make Durok's feats applicable to Loki. He was beating the two most powerful high heralds in any company. Loki individually even going by your gayness had a lot of trouble with each one individually, and beat up Thor before.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Lost and overpowered aren't exclusive terms.
And they're both super supported. Loki quit and was overpowered. That's a loss in my book.It's in ODG's "Magical Loki respect thread" that you brought up earlier, or whatever masturbating use of words you used for it.
Or it was a Loki servant hyping up his buddy. Loki also thought Surfer was a weak pussy who was no match for Loki. He found out he was wrong, just as the servant would have if he accomplished anymore than looking at Surfer for 3 seconds.
No, but it makes no sense for him to hold back when he's testing Surfer to fight Thor.
That still doesn't make Durok's feats applicable to Loki. He was beating the two most powerful high heralds in any company. Loki individually even going by your gayness had a lot of trouble with each one individually, and beat up Thor before.
Loki was never overpowered, neither the art or the dialogue supports that. He did quit, but his purpose was full-filled. You'd think a Galactus fan out of everyone would understand avoiding conflict doesn't automatically mean inferiority.
I said it was a great respect thread and it is. Lol, thanks for the support. Like I said, Loki's main intention was to gauge Surfer's abilities:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Fights/LokivsSilverSurfer01SS4.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Fights/LokivsSilverSurfer02.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Fights/LokivsSilverSurfer03.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Fights/LokivsSilverSurfer04.jpg
It was never intention to go all-out and kill Surfer. Whatever, the fight is there for everyone to judge.
Maybe, but I don't think so. Why are you assuming they were wrong in their assessment? Surfer barely beat a holding back Thor while super amped. Surfer was still powerful despite not being at his peak but he was no match for Thor's power or Loki's magic, his comments about Mjolnir and Loki waving away the Galactus barrier made that abundantly clear.
Maybe not, but it's a big testatement to how powerful his magic is. Also it should be noted that in that arc Loki when he was accessing more of his power through the Odin-Ring was solidly above Herald level. But that's a high point and not his norm.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusLoki screaming out enough while his hands go everywhere and his back goes back to a point where he looks like he just got overpowered do not mean he got overpowered.
Loki was never overpowered, neither the art or the dialogue supports that. He did quit, but his purpose was full-filled. You'd think a Galactus fan out of everyone would understand avoiding conflict doesn't automatically mean inferiority.I said it was a great respect thread and it is. Lol, thanks for the support. Like I said, Loki's main intention was to gauge Surfer's abilities:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Fights/LokivsSilverSurfer01SS4.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Fights/LokivsSilverSurfer02.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Fights/LokivsSilverSurfer03.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Fights/LokivsSilverSurfer04.jpgIt was never intention to go all-out and kill Surfer. Whatever, the fight is there for everyone to judge.
Maybe, but I don't think so. Why are you assuming they were wrong in their assessment? Surfer barely beat a holding back Thor while super amped. Surfer was still powerful despite not being at his peak but he was no match for Thor's power or Loki's magic, his comments about Mjolnir and Loki waving away the Galactus barrier made that abundantly clear.
Maybe not, but it's a big testatement to how powerful his magic is. Also it should be noted that in that arc Loki when he was accessing more of his power through the Odin-Ring was solidly above Herald level. But that's a high point and not his norm.
It was his intention to test Surfer to fight Thor who kicks the shit out of Loki. The best way of doing this would be to naturally hold back.
And like it was Surfer's intention to kill Loki either.
Because Loki wasn't above Surfer in their ****ing fight?
No match for Loki's magic? Do you listen to yourself? Even going with your stance that it was a stalemate, how can you make such comments?
No it isn't.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Loki screaming out enough while his hands go everywhere and his back goes back to a point where he looks like he just got overpowered do not mean he got overpowered.
Galactus avoids confrontation because he just wants to eat food. Loki seeks it out, pisses people off and then quits.It was his intention to test Surfer to fight Thor who kicks the shit out of Loki. The best way of doing this would be to naturally hold back.
And like it was Surfer's intention to kill Loki either.Because Loki wasn't above Surfer in their ****ing fight?
No match for Loki's magic? Do you listen to yourself? Even going with your stance that it was a stalemate, how can you make such comments?No it isn't.
And Surfer was on his knees, head down. Clearly he was overpowered and about to be force feed Loki's frosty penis. Loki has avoided confrontation in the past when it wasn't necessary, he's actually pretty intelligent, manipulative and cunning when he isn't fighting Thor.
Again you assume Loki was getting beat up by Surfer, that never happened. He wanted someone with sufficient power, he didn't go looking for someone greater than himself (Too arrogant for that anyways), he never believed that a mere mortal like Surfer could ever beat Thor solo, hence the massive powerup. Seriously, Loki states his intentions very clearly in his thought bubbles. I can quote him word for word but I hope you can read.
Yes, Loki's magic was clearly far more potent than Surfer's Power Cosmic at the time based on how he easily he got past Galactus' barrier. They stalemated in a contest of energy projection/strength or whatever. There's a difference.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusHe was on his knees overpowering Loki while Loki was screaming at the sky with his hands having a seizure
And Surfer was on his knees, head down. Clearly he was overpowered and about to be force feed Loki's frosty penis. Loki has avoided confrontation in the past when it wasn't necessary, he's actually pretty intelligent, manipulative and cunning when he isn't fighting Thor.Again you assume Loki was getting beat up by Surfer, that never happened. He wanted someone with sufficient power, he didn't go looking for someone greater than himself, he never believed that a mere mortal like Surfer could ever beat Thor solo, hence the massive powerup.
Yes, Loki's magic was clearly far more potent than Surfer's Power Cosmic at the time based on how he easily he got past Galactus' barrier. They stalemated in a contest of energy projection/strength or whatever. There's a difference.
Loki doesn't even have to have been getting beat up like he was for the notion of him testing someone to beat a foe stronger than himself by holding back, to sound stupid as shit.
"Hey, I hold back now, you fite me, then you fite Tor who more powerful than me!"
Ah, because getting through a barrier is relevant in a fight. Honestly, Surfer with all of Hulk's power had trouble getting through the barrier. Apparently Loki's casual magic > Surfer + Hulk, and this is relevant in forum fights.
Or his teleportation just sidestepped the barrier.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
He was on his knees overpowering Loki while Loki was screaming at the sky with his hands having a seizure
PussyLoki doesn't even have to have been getting beat up like he was for the notion of him testing someone to beat a foe stronger than himself by holding back, to sound stupid as shit.
"Hey, I hold back now, you fite me, then you fite Tor who more powerful than me!"Ah, because getting through a barrier is relevant in a fight. Honestly, Surfer with all of Hulk's power had trouble getting through the barrier. Apparently Loki's casual magic > Surfer + Hulk, and this is relevant in forum fights.
Or his teleportation just sidestepped the barrier.
Nah, Surfer was obviously bowing his head before the clear superior. Seriously, your basing your conclusive statements on their -debatable- body angles. Does that not in itself tell you that it's dumb?
Like I said earlier, Loki may or may not be able to overpower Surfer, but he was never going all-out against Surfer nor did he intend to truly beat him. He was gauging the Herald's abilities. Seriously, Loki wouldn't even attempt locking arms in a pissing contest like that unless there was other shit going on.
Maybe, maybe not, but it doesn't hurt Loki's standing either. That scene along with his comments about Mjolnir lead me to believe that in that era at least, the two most potent abilities of the brothers were beyond Surfer's Power Cosmic. Well, the Enchantress did kill Hulk with a spell once, I guess Loki solos Surfer and Hulk. But seriously, I don't understand why you think bringing that up hurts my case.
The Galactus made barrier was a significant obstacle, and Loki specifically said that it cannot withstand a God. Maybe he did side-step it, either way, it doesn't hurt his odds.
Whatever, agree to disagree I have to go to bed. Keep arguing that Loki was overpowered because his back was arched (Compared to Surfer's bowed head).
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusI can't fathom how that's a defeated pose. I really can't. Especially when he's the one still releasing energy.
Nah, Surfer was obviously bowing his head before the clear superior. Seriously, your basing your conclusive statements on their -debatable- body angles. Does that not in itself tell you that it's dumb?Like I said earlier, Loki may or may not be able to overpower Surfer, but he was never going all-out against Surfer nor did he intend to truly beat him. He was gauging the Herald's abilities. Seriously, Loki wouldn't even attempt locking arms in a pissing contest like that unless there was other shit going on.
Maybe, maybe not, but it doesn't hurt Loki's standing either. That scene along with his comments about Mjolnir lead me to believe that in that era at least, the two most potent abilities of the brothers were beyond Surfer's Power Cosmic. Well, the Enchantress did kill Hulk with a spell once, I guess Loki solos Surfer and Hulk. But seriously, I don't understand why you think bringing that up hurts my case.
The Galactus made barrier was a significant obstacle, and Loki specifically said that it cannot withstand a God. Maybe he did side-step it, either way, it doesn't hurt his odds.
Whatever, agree to disagree I have to go to bed. Keep arguing that Loki was overpowered because his back was arched (Compared to Surfer's bowed head).
He would have defeated him easily though, had he been weaker. There's not much there to indicate holding back. He was trying to find a worthy contender against someone more powerful than he, and him holding back would be fruitless. Not saying he went all out, but him not trying to beat Surfer, and therefore it's not indicative of power level sounds stupid. Especially when you look at what Surfer tried in the battle... IE almost nothing.
Because you're implying a level of power behind it. We know for a fact that Loki isn't >>> Hulk + Surfer, so why is it even relevant in a power battle?
It doesn't help either.
"Arg, you got me. I quit"
- Loki
Either way, Surfer is way stronger now, so Loki's odds are terrible.
Originally posted by h1a8
Loki is the weak link since1. His physical durability sucks. Thor can basically 2 shot him.
2. He is slowTeam 1 wins. Speed kills
1) This is a lie
2) This isn't CBR
BTW, you still haven't posted the scans for this thread http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=577594&pagenumber=8#post14274492
Originally posted by Zack Fair
Thorbags going all out.
The thing is I totally believe that Team 1 could win this for a variety of reasons. Superman and Silver Surfer are very powerful in their own right and only an idiot would think that neither Clark nor Norrin could ever beat Thor or Loki.
The main issue here seems to be that people really don't know what Loki is capable of, which is okay in of itself, but has since turned into people actually lowballing the guy and painting a completely inaccurate picture of him.
And then we have shit like Superman absorbing Godblasts, Surfer instantly amping Superman to OWAW levels, Surfer or Superman soloing Team 2, and just flat out absurd arguments that are either against the rules or really based on nothing but fanboyish theories and the like.
