Originally posted by zopzop
Exactly. NO matter manip needed!Just like in Thor's case. He superheated the rock, the rock blew up, he escaped.
All this was shown on panel.
The ground exploded with debris flying all over the place - Fact
The ground was smoldering - Fact
The ground beneath his feet was turned to glass - FactThat's not phucking matter manip.
Hulk proved you don't need any matter manip to escape being phased into an object.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
Kitty fused him into the ground. Fused. Which means that even had he blown the stuff off him, it would still be inside him. He used matter manip. In Hulk's case where he has a healing factor, his body self repaired and expelled the foreign content from himself. In Thor's case he did it with Mjolnir through matter manip. Keep hating though. That's all your good for anyway.
Originally posted by JakeTheBanklol
In that same era, Thor's average was still enough to do shit like shatter Celestial armor, shatter mountains, cause reverbreations across entire planets, etc. Considering he's easily powered out of tons of rubble before consistently, being surrounded by asphalt would be nothing to him.Mjolnir unfused Thor from the street and the resulting energies turned the street into glass like substance.
You just named Thor's best feats and yet you claim they are averages?
Originally posted by h1a8
I stand corrected but they are some pretty high ass feats for Thor. No where near average. Thor doesn't shatter mountains everyday now.
He doesn't fight near mountains in order to actually be able to do it. But his bare fists are often and have often been attributed to mountain shattering, let alone Mjolnir.
Originally posted by Damborgson
You have no idea what you're talking about.Kitty fused him into the ground. Fused. Which means that even had he blown the stuff off him, it would still be inside him. He used matter manip. In Hulk's case where he has a healing factor, his body self repaired and expelled the foreign content from himself. In Thor's case he did it with Mjolnir through matter manip. Keep hating though. That's all your good for anyway.
As depicted on panel, he superheated the floor/ground and he escaped. I would have thought the explosion of rock, the smoldering crater and the glassification present would have been proof for even the staunchest fanboy.
Originally posted by zopzop
Keep dancing around what was shown on panel, it's ok. The Hulk incident proved you dont' need matter manip to escape being phased.As depicted on panel, he superheated the floor/ground and he escaped. I would have thought the explosion of rock, the smoldering crater and the glassification present would have been proof for even the staunchest fanboy.
What was shown on panel is exactly what I told you. 😐 The Hulk incident is completely different, as different ways were being used to escape the fusion.
Of course he did. So? For his body to have been freed of the debris which were now fused inside of him, super heating the exterior of his body would not heal the gaping wounds that would have been left. Unless you think super heating something heals and mends. Which in your case, you probably do. 👆
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He doesn't fight near mountains in order to actually be able to do it. But his bare fists are often and have often been attributed to mountain shattering, let alone Mjolnir.
Whilst with Mjolnir his strikes have been attributed to Planet Shattering even in his classic comics.
I always thought Thor had a higher ceiling of power. Like, I don't think Surfer could recreate Thor's showing against Mercy.
It's hard to argue with the speed edge that Surfer should have though. There are ways, of course...multi or omni-directional lightning (we can be relatively sure it could tag even a speeding Surfer). Or a more general energy siphon (it doesn't just absorb individual blasts, properly focused), but then we also have to allow for some creativity from Surfer during those tactics.
I always tended to side with Thor for the majority. But, more than that, I always furrowed my brow in confusion at anyone who painted it as something other than a near-coin-flip scenario. It's ok to have a side, but keeping opinions within reason is just as important...especially when there's no actual winner here.
Originally posted by Digisurfer could just create a blackhole which would suck up any energy attack thor would unleash with its immense gravitational pull
I always thought Thor had a higher ceiling of power. Like, I don't think Surfer could recreate Thor's showing against Mercy.It's hard to argue with the speed edge that Surfer should have though. There are ways, of course...multi or omni-directional lightning (we can be relatively sure it could tag even a speeding Surfer). Or a more general energy siphon (it doesn't just absorb individual blasts, properly focused), but then we also have to allow for some creativity from Surfer during those tactics.
I always tended to side with Thor for the majority. But, more than that, I always furrowed my brow in confusion at anyone who painted it as something other than a near-coin-flip scenario. It's ok to have a side, but keeping opinions within reason is just as important...especially when there's no actual winner here.
Originally posted by Damborgson
What was shown on panel is exactly what I told you. 😐 The Hulk incident is completely different, as different ways were being used to escape the fusion.Of course he did. So? For his body to have been freed of the debris which were now fused inside of him, super heating the exterior of his body would not heal the gaping wounds that would have been left. Unless you think super heating something heals and mends. Which in your case, you probably do. 👆
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Whilst with Mjolnir his strikes have been attributed to Planet Shattering even in his classic comics.
Zopzop, explain to me what happened.
Kitty phased Thor's entire lower half into the ground and bonded him with it. Your argument is that no molecule manipulation was used. So okay, he used heat and whatever bullshit to break the pavement.
Now what about himself? His entire lower half would be more concrete then flesh, how is he still alive much less completely undamaged?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Zopzop, explain to me what happened.Kitty phased Thor's entire lower half into the ground and bonded him with it. Your argument is that no molecule manipulation was used. So okay, he used heat and whatever bullshit to break the pavement.
Now what about himself? His entire lower half would be more concrete then flesh, how is he still alive much less completely undamaged?
What we saw ON PANEL was him creating an energy vortex, the ground got hot, it burst, and he got out.
How do we know this?
a) The ground exploded.
b) The ground was smoldering.
c) Glassification occured beneath his feet.
Originally posted by Digi
I always thought Thor had a higher ceiling of power. Like, I don't think Surfer could recreate Thor's showing against Mercy.It's hard to argue with the speed edge that Surfer should have though. There are ways, of course...multi or omni-directional lightning (we can be relatively sure it could tag even a speeding Surfer). Or a more general energy siphon (it doesn't just absorb individual blasts, properly focused), but then we also have to allow for some creativity from Surfer during those tactics.
I always tended to side with Thor for the majority. But, more than that, I always furrowed my brow in confusion at anyone who painted it as something other than a near-coin-flip scenario. It's ok to have a side, but keeping opinions within reason is just as important...especially when there's no actual winner here.
Yup this is more or less how I feel about it too 👆