OWAW Sun-dip Superman Vs Loki AND Thor

Originally posted by Dolos
The results the same.

Tell me, how much more powerful do you believe Thanos to be than Soulfire Darkseid?

Do you think Loki or Thor could take the majority on a Superman who could break Soulfire Darkseid in half and whose speed dwarfs theirs, along with reflexes and combat intelligence that dwarf theirs (going solo of course).

I really don't think they could harm him anymore than he could harm them during a phased state, as he can phase as well, only he is faster and his reactions and combat intelligence and energy output all must dwarf theirs by a mile. He's practically Thanos level, if not there.

Do you think Thanos would have great difficulty with this team? If not I think you're overrating them because they're going to have a match up in Thor 2 and you're a Thor fanboy. I cannot get over the strong bias I sense you have for the two characters.

Not sure what Thanos has to do with this at all?

Superman's phasing abilities aren't as absolute as Loki's are, though. Superman can't just exist in a constant phased state by willing it. He has to reach a certain level of speed and maintain it. Loki, on the other hand, merely wills himself to be phased and can further stack effects onto this such as invisibility, casting illusions, removing sound, amping Thor, etc.

Superman would undoubtedly weather the attacks, but the difference is that where as he wouldn't be able to physically interact with the duo should Loki phase them up, Loki and Thor would be able to call upon their powers and still physically effect Superman. Loki could even mentally do so as he was able to stagger Strange who was on Earth while he was in Asgard. He was also able to mentally assault Hulk from an entirely different dimension as well.

Again, not sure what Thanos has to do with this thread at all outside of him being a red herring or attempting to project arguments onto me through him. Thanos' power set is better suited for dealing with Thor and Loki than Superman's is (heightened as it is). Superman's certainly more overtly powerful than the duo, which is why he'll win the majority, imo, but his power set has some disadvantages that the duo can use to their advantage. And really, I'm no more biased for Thor and Loki - who will lose this more often than not as I've repeated multiple times - than you are for Superman (putting it mildly).

I'm not even sure he'd be vulnerable to kryptonite, red solar radiation, or magic at all while a sun-dip is augmenting him.

BFR is on; you can't change it this late in to the thread.

Originally posted by -Pr-
BFR is on; you can't change it this late in to the thread.

I never said battle field removal was on in the first place.

Okay, have your little 'put him in Valhalla' fantasy, Pr. lol.

Superman wins.

Are we trying to gauge exactly how many times out of 10?

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Superman wins.

Are we trying to gauge exactly how many times out of 10?

I don't see 1/10.

Superman has overcome Darkseid, Doomsday, Mongul II physically, and Imperiex through precision and cognitive superiority - and now he just plain out-powers energy form Imperiex with this amp and one member was trying to say Thanos one-shots in the other thread.

I all just seems a little biased to me within respective character parameters. Thor and Loki make a good team, I get it, I don't see them as having the raw power to harm this Superman with their attacks.

Leaving the battlefield on purpose is considered a forfeit in the rules and being unable to return if forcibly removed counts as a loss. BFR is on unless otherwise stated in the OP or at least within the first few replies.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Leaving the battlefield on purpose is considered a forfeit in the rules and being unable to return if forcibly removed counts as a loss. BFR is on unless otherwise stated in the OP or at least within the first few replies.

Superman didn't leave the battlefield because the battle started while he's amped. That's why it's Sun-dipped Superman and not just plain ole' Superman vs Loki and Thor.

But again, if you just want to say they teleport him to a different realm problem solved, I really couldn't care less. You keep pushing that.

Originally posted by Dolos
I don't see 1/10.

Superman has overcome Darkseid, Doomsday, Mongul II physically, and Imperiex through precision and cognitive superiority - and now he just plain out-powers energy form Imperiex with this amp they're trying to say Thanos one-shots.

I all just seems a little biased to me within respective character parameters. Thor and Loki make a good team, I get it, I don't see them as having the raw power to harm this Superman with their attacks.

"They" aren't saying Thanos one shots him. That was Bran, and I'm relatively sure he's just kidding around. I certainly don't think Thanos would one shot him, and even if I did, Thanos has no relevance in this thread.

Considering what Thor has done power wise and to a lesser degree Loki, they certainly have the raw power to hurt Superman. Galactus, Odin, Glory, Zelia, Thanos, etc. It'd be kind of silly to assume that Superman would be totally impervious to the duo's attacks.

Originally posted by Dolos
Superman didn't leave the battlefield because the battle started while he's amped. That's why it's Sun-dipped Superman and not just plain ole' Superman vs Loki and Thor.

But again, if you just want to say they teleport him to a different realm problem solved, I really couldn't care less.

I'm not saying he's disqualified at the beginning; obviously he's assumed to have already sundipped before the fight starts and that's his starting form per the OP. I merely pointed out the forum rules as far as battlefield removal goes.

It's one method of offense that Superman reliably doesn't have much of a defense against.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
"They" aren't saying Thanos one shots him. That was Bran, and I'm relatively sure he's just kidding around. I certainly don't think Thanos would one shot him, and even if I did, Thanos has no relevance in this thread.

Considering what Thor has done power wise and to a lesser degree Loki, they certainly have the raw power to hurt Superman. Galactus, Odin, Glory, Zelia, Thanos, etc. It'd be kind of silly to assume that Superman would be totally impervious to the duo's attacks.

Those Skyfathers and Celestials levelers were probably not as effected as you're claiming. Thor's overcharged Godblast is the only example of a part of a Celestial even being actually damaged.

Their damage capability is not like Superman's breaking of Soulfire Darkseid's body or the destruction of Imperiex's body, because the latter took a lot less out of Superman and a lot less time than a Godblast. And that's not even as powerful as his heat vision potentially is. He tanks omega beams, and all before Mongul even trained him.

And you're mixing Thanos in with all-fathers and celestials. Like he's that much beyond Superman.

Originally posted by Dolos
Those Skyfathers and Celestials levelers were probably not as effected as you're claiming. Thor's overcharged Godblast is the only example of a part of a Celestial even being actually damage.

Galactus was near death after Thor first godblasted him, Odin was visibly staggered by Thor's blows, Glory was rendered pain for the first time in eons, Zelia (who siphoned Odin's energy and added it to her own) was literally crippled to the point where Odin could finish her off, and Thanos was visibly rocked by Masterson Thor's attacks. And those are just a few examples.

All of this can be verified on panel through narration and the art itself.

Superman would be hurt by Thor/Loki's attacks. He could take a lot of punishment, but he wouldn't be no selling them.

Originally posted by Dolos
Their damage capability is not like Superman's breaking of Soulfire Darkseid's body or the destruction of Imperiex's body, because the latter took a lot less out of Superman and a lot less time than a Godblast. And that's not even as powerful as his heat vision potentially is. He tanks omega beams, and all before Mongul even trained him.

And you're mixing Thanos in with all-fathers and celestials. Like he's that much beyond Superman.

A godblast takes seconds to fire. It's not this long time consuming attack like a Spirit Bomb from Dragon Ball Z. And Thor's also weathered attacks from those same skyfathers he's damaged.

Thanos' durability/damage soak is easily comparable to Superman's. Imho, his durability is way more impressive than his energy output.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
A godblast takes seconds to fire. It's not this long time consuming attack like a Spirit Bomb from Dragon Ball Z. And Thor's also weathered attacks from those same skyfathers he's damaged.

Thanos' durability/damage soak is easily comparable to Superman's. Imho, his durability is way more impressive than his energy output.

How would you know how long it takes to charge?

Seconds? Minutes? Could be anywhere along those lines. Thor and Loki don't have seconds before a hundred fists are laid on both of them, along with super-heat vision beams.

What's their best reaction time? If they go intangible both of their attacks will be lessened.

Or Loki just turns Thor invisible and intangible and has him spam hundreds of God blasts over the course of minutes lol. They don't have the power to sustain that level of energy output while simultaneously getting good hits on a speedster probably faster than the Flash.

What makes Thanos so much more durable than an amped Darkseid? What makes you think Galactus was harmed much less near death? He got knocked down, he's still going to be about eating worlds in the next issue like nothing happened. He's above Skyfather, it's ridiculous to use that as a feat.

Originally posted by Dolos
How would you know how long it takes to charge?

Really no longer than a few seconds, if that. Some people think it's this slow charging, slow moving attack, and it really isn't. Thor's massive storm summoning often takes longer than his Godblasts have.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Really no longer than a few seconds, if that. Some people think it's this slow charging, slow moving attack, and it really isn't. Thor's massive storm summoning often takes longer than his Godblasts have.

What evidence do you have that a storm, which does a fraction of a Godblast, takes longer to summon!?

Thor will be at least extremely drained.

Originally posted by Dolos
What evidence do you have that a storm, which does a fraction of a Godblast, takes longer to summon!?

Thor will be at least extremely drained.

Because Thor's storms generally are more precise (as to avoid needless destruction) and can effect a much larger area than the Godblast, which is basically just a potent beam of energy fired at a single target. His storms can encompass cities, states, countries, or even the entire planet. Generally, the bigger the storm, the more time it takes Thor to charge it.

And the Godblast has historically never drained Thor of his stamina. It's powered by his life force, but using it in of itself doesn't tire him out.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Because Thor's storms generally are more precise (as to avoid needless destruction) and can effect a much larger area than the Godblast, which is basically just a potent beam of energy fired at a single target. His storms can encompass cities, states, countries, or even the entire planet. Generally, the bigger the storm, the more time it takes Thor to charge it.

And the Godblast has historically never drained Thor of his stamina. It's powered by his life force, but using it in of itself doesn't tire him out.

So you're saying if he needed to he'd spam them and then go eat a golden apple after he kills an Amped Superman to replenish his life-force?

Assuming Superman won't dodge them or phase through them. Assuming they're going to effect him as much as they effected Thanos, even though he's much faster and uber durable.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Really no longer than a few seconds, if that. Some people think it's this slow charging, slow moving attack, and it really isn't. Thor's massive storm summoning often takes longer than his Godblasts have.

Their best chance is for Loki and thor to become magically intangible and blast away from their safe confines.

But does Loki go intangible at the sight of the enemy?
Is that his first reaction in character? Does he enter a battle field and immediately go intangible?

I can see superman speedblitz ko before Loki and thor even get a chance to put on their offensive.

Really? High end Godblasting from a phased state by Loki?

That's a bit over doing it.

I don't even see Thor use Godblasts that often. They must have some detrimental effect on his longevity. I doubt he'll use it more than once. Superman has a very good chance of phasing a blast that powerful and that wide-spread to where he can't avoid it.

In the respect thread I don't see Loki going intangible all the time either, and staying that way. Much less cloaking Thor and himself as well as phasing and then striking in that state.