OWAW Sun-dip Superman Vs Loki AND Thor

Originally posted by Diesldude
honestly, if we are going to assume that Thor is going to come out godblasting, we have to assume that this superman is going all out from the start as well. Going all out superman is going to use his speed and is in character. Once the bell rings, superman is going to be quicker to the draw and will speed blitz before Thor can even react much less call upon a god blast.

Their best chance is for Loki and thor to become magically intangible and blast away from their safe confines.

But does Loki go intangible at the sight of the enemy?
Is that his first reaction in character? Does he enter a battle field and immediately go intangible?

I can see superman speedblitz ko before Loki and thor even get a chance to put on their offensive.

I didn't even say he'd use a Godblast in this fight. I merely pointed that Thor definitely has feats - consistent ones - of being able to harm Skyfather class beings with his attacks, the Godblast being one of them. Therefore I find it unlikely that Thor and Loki together wouldn't harm Superman with their attacks. And even if Superman does the almighty speedblitz, Thor also has plenty of feats to suggest he wouldn't be one shot.

Loki going intangible and phasing is far more likely than Thor Godblasting. Loki usually goes intangible in every fight he's in and often does so at the beginning of the fights.

Originally posted by Dolos
Really? High end Godblasting from a phased state by Loki?

That's a bit over doing it.

Or even if loki can attack in this condition.

But i think superman gets to them before they react.
Loki doesn't go intangible as soon as he enters a battlefield,
nor does thor come out god blasting.

Superman however is more than likely to speedblitze especially in this no holds barred state that he was in OWAW.

Originally posted by Dolos
Really? High end Godblasting from a phased state by Loki?

That's a bit over doing it.

I don't even see Thor use Godblasts that often. They must have some detrimental effect on his longevity. I doubt he'll use it more than once. Superman has a very good chance of phasing a blast that powerful and that wide-spread to where he can't avoid it.

I doubt he'd Godblast to begin in this fight, but it was used as an example of one of the many times he's hurt people outside his tier.

And no, the Godblasts have no detrimental effect on his longevity and it's not been suggested as such in the comics. Thor's more likely to use storm attacks, and Mjolnir throws, lightning, and generic energy blasts from Mjolnir, all of which can hurt and hit Superman.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I didn't even say he'd use a Godblast in this fight. I merely pointed that Thor definitely has feats - consistent ones - of being able to harm Skyfather class beings with his attacks, the Godblast being one of them. Therefore I find it unlikely that Thor and Loki together wouldn't harm Superman with their attacks. And even if Superman does the almighty speedblitz, Thor also has plenty of feats to suggest he wouldn't be one shot.

Loki going intangible and phasing is far more likely than Thor Godblasting. Loki usually goes intangible in every fight he's in and often does so at the beginning of the fights.

That's cool, I'll take your word for it. Can loki attack while he is intangible or does he have to phase in attack and then phase out?

Also I never said that godblast wouldnt hurt superman, especially it being magic or divine in nature. Just not sure how much weakness he has to magic while he is sundipped. Remember supemran heals instantly while close to the sun. in this case, he has practially the sun in him.

Originally posted by Diesldude
Im not sure if that is possible by thor in a intangible state.

Or even if loki can attack in this condition.

But i think superman gets to them before they react.
Loki doesn't go intangible as soon as he enters a battlefield,
nor does thor come out god blasting.

Superman however is more than likely to speedblitze especially in this no holds barred state that he was in OWAW.

It it and he can. Loki's phased state doesn't prevent him from casting spells. The only drawback is that the offensive power of said spells isn't as effective.

Loki has started off fights by phasing through attacks.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I doubt he'd Godblast to begin in this fight, but it was used as an example of one of the many times he's hurt people outside his tier.

And no, the Godblasts have no detrimental effect on his longevity and it's not been suggested as such in the comics. Thor's more likely to use storm attacks, and Mjolnir throws, lightning, and generic energy blasts from Mjolnir, all of which can hurt and hit Superman.

Not in this state.

Only thing that will even come close will be something that can crack a Celestial's armor. And Superman is likely to survive one of those.

If he'd even get the chance to use it. Even if he goes berserk and releases all that Asgardian energy in Godblasts not caring about the area, Superman has a good chance of absorbing that like Mageddon, especially when augmented. Then a weathered speedblitz that would take them both out with a serious high-herald busters and even more devastating precision HV blasts - which are Superman's stronger attacks.

Yes, if Thor goes crazy with those, and Loki with his variant, they can do damage, enough to win the minority out of ten.

Originally posted by Diesldude
That's cool, I'll take your word for it. Can loki attack while he is intangible or does he have to phase in attack and then phase out?

He can attack from a phased state, but his power is less effective. I'd imagine that Loki would be acting as support primarily for Thor per this fight.

Originally posted by Dolos
Not in this state.

Only thing that will even come close will be something that can crack a Celestial's armor. And Superman is likely to survive one of those.

It obviously drains Thor's reserves, or else he'd use it more than once in a blue moon.

What do you mean "not in this state"? Thor's more mundane attacks have also harmed people outside his tier, such as Mjolnir swings, throws, lightning bolts, etc. If Thor were to hit Superman, he would and could hurt him based on everyone else he's been able to hurt. The Godblast is just more of a definite thing on his part, but he doesn't need it in order to hurt Superman.

He doesn't use it very often due to the fact that he winds up winning without resorting to it and for the fact that he doesn't resort to his ultimate attack every single battle. There's nothing printed in the comics to suggest the Godblast drains his reserves.

Originally posted by Dolos
If he'd even get the chance to use it. Even if he goes berserk and releases all that Asgardian energy in Godblasts not caring about the area, Superman has a good chance of absorbing that like Mageddon, especially when augmented. Then a weathered speedblitz that would take them both out with a serious high-herald busters and even more devastating precision HV blasts - which are Superman's stronger attacks.

Yes, if Thor goes crazy with those, and Loki with his variant, they can do damage, enough to win the minority out of ten.

Superman absorbing the Godblast is even less likely than Thor using it in the first place. And Thor can absorb and/or block heat vision with Mjolnir. He can even send it back at Superman with anywhere to x10 - x100 power, as he did to a Thanosi.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He can attack from a phased state, but his power is less effective. I'd imagine that Loki would be acting as support primarily for Thor per this fight.

If loki is phased and thor is not, Superman can make quick work of thor.

I just saw Rao's scans again. I couldn't read the text from my phone but in one of the scans, he is stalemated by Brainiac who at that time had housed IP's energies. Sundipped Superman overcame Ip's energies in Brainiac and then tore him apart. That's actually a bigger feat than I previously though and should be brought up.

If you want to look at it,

Brianiac with Ip's power > thor amped by loki

And look at what superman did to him.

Also if loki stays in a phased out state, could that be considered removing himself out of the battle field? or Self BFR?
Like in a battle royal , a wrestler gets thrown out of the ring but stays ringside and starts pulling legs or throwing chairs into the ring. LOL

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
What do you mean "not in this state"? Thor's more mundane attacks have also harmed people outside his tier, such as Mjolnir swings, throws, lightning bolts, etc. If Thor were to hit Superman, he would and could hurt him based on everyone else he's been able to hurt. The Godblast is just more of a definite thing on his part, but he doesn't need it in order to hurt Superman.

He doesn't use it very often due to the fact that he winds up winning without resorting to it and for the fact that he doesn't resort to his ultimate attack every single battle. There's nothing printed in the comics to suggest the Godblast drains his reserves.

In this fight, he'd need to use it a loooot.

Superman's durability > Thor's, without sundip. Check the respect threads for reference. With a sun-dip, it's just not happening, especially when Mjlnor can't keep up with Superman's full speed and reactions.

Honestly if a non-sun-dipped Superman can pull the majority on Thor, than a sun-dipped Superman should pwn one little Loki added.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Superman absorbing the Godblast is even less likely than Thor using it in the first place. And Thor can absorb and/or block heat vision with Mjolnir. He can even send it back at Superman with anywhere to x10 - x100 power, as he did to a Thanosi.

Wow, sun-dipped Superman has greater power than Thor's Asgardian reserves. Nothing like All-father, but come on. Mjlnor would be overcharged with energy.

Well if you're going to throw everything possible at Superman, not one, but several dozen Godblasts and Loki's equivalent, Superman gets to phase and absorb to his hearts content no matter how rare those powers are for him.

Originally posted by Diesldude
If loki is phased and thor is not, Superman can make quick work of thor.

I just saw Rao's scans again. I couldn't read the text from my phone but in one of the scans, he is stalemated by Brainiac who at that time had housed IP's energies. Sundipped Superman overcame Ip's energies in Brainiac and then tore him apart. That's actually a bigger feat than I previously though and should be brought up.

If you want to look at it,

Brianiac with Ip's power > thor amped by loki

And look at what superman did to him.

Also if loki stays in a phased out state, could that be considered removing himself out of the battle field? or Self BFR?
Like in a battle royal , a wrestler gets thrown out of the ring but stays ringside and starts pulling legs or throwing chairs into the ring. LOL

He could, but Loki's spells aren't limited to himself. He can easily turn Thor invisible, make him phased, amplify his strength, or buff him in other ways. Loki's got quite a history of amping or buffing other beings, sometimes to incredible degrees. He made a very low level telepath to the point where Xavier and Magneto were threatened for reference.

If Loki's phased, but can still interact with the battlefield in terms of buffing Thor or attacking Superman, then it's not a self BFR. Superman merely just doesn't have the means to effect him, but that's not Loki forfeiting the match. He's still "there".

Originally posted by Dolos
Wow, sun-dipped Superman has greater power than Thor's Asgardian reserves. Nothing like All-father, but come on. Mjlnor would be overcharged with energy.

Well if you're going to throw everything possible at Superman, not one, but several dozen Godblasts and Loki's equivalent, Superman gets to phase and absorb to his hearts content no matter how rare those powers are for him.

"Overcharged" with energy? Superman's not going to overload Mjolnir, not when the thing has absorbed energy to destroy a galaxy. That's absurd.

I'm not throwing everything possible at Superman, nor did I say they'd use "several dozen Godblasts", so please don't project arguments onto me.

Originally posted by Dolos
In this fight, he'd need to use it a loooot.

Superman's durability > Thor's, without sundip. Check the respect threads for reference. With a sun-dip, it's just not happening, especially when Mjlnor can't keep up with Superman's full speed and reactions.

Honestly if a non-sun-dipped Superman can pull the majority on Thor, than a sun-dipped Superman should pwn one little Loki added.

You would have to ignore a vast majority of Thor's showings to conclude that Thor doesn't have the power output to harm Superman in this state. He clearly does have these feats, which are far from one off occurrences. Superman being more durable than Thor doesn't mean Thor can't hurt him.

Sundipped Superman would win this, but the duo certainly have the tools and respective power sets to win this.

Thor and loki loses here no matter how you want to sugarcoat it. Deal with it.

I'd rather you not derail another thread with your attitude.

Lawl. Considering your attitude, its a surprise this thread is open thus far. Repeating the same thing over and over and obfuscating the whole thread in order to avoid a simple answer is just laughable.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Lawl. Considering your attitude, its a surprise this thread is open thus far. Repeating the same thing over and over and obfuscating the whole thread in order to avoid a simple answer is just laughable.

I've been nothing but civil in this thread and others. I'm not the guy who's constantly being told by several mods to cut it off. And really, it's going to happen here again and the thread will probably be closed soon enough which is sad.

And really, all I'm doing is pointing out inaccuracies and false assumptions such as that Thor and Loki can only BFR to Asgardian realms, that Godblasts drain Thor of energy, that only the Godblast can harm Superman at this state, that Superman's heat vision would overload Mjolnir, that Loki can't or doesn't phase at the beginning of combat, etc.

I've stated at the beginning of this thread that Superman wins this, but the duo certainly have the means to win this given feats under their belt and how their respective power sets compliment each other.

You think I have an attitude problem? Put me on ignore or report me. You think I've spread lies or misrepresentation? Post scans or cite issue numbers. Otherwise stop trolling and get over yourself.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I've stated at the beginning of this thread that Superman wins this.

uhuh