OWAW Sun-dip Superman Vs Loki AND Thor

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
I believe Thor had already a lot of training. SS will be different.

I though you said Superman will not use Super speed , He was shown to move really fast at the first exchange of attacks

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This Superman in particular teds to get speedy really fast. and in here He is on an amped state, I think everywhere he moved He moved at Super speed.

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Just because he's in an OWAW mindset doesn't make him less like Superman. Like I said:

Originally posted by -Pr-
Just to clarify what I was saying earlier, imo:

Superman likely won't blitz at the starting bell. Even with his OWAW mindset, he won't use his speed until he perceives a threat that he can't power through.

He will use his speed earlier than he would otherwise, but it just won't be instantaneous.

Rao Kal El, this is an interesting scan that you posted earlier.

Just noticed what superman said in the bottom panel on the left.

Superman's powers started to increase once he stopped holding back.

Not only do his mental blocks force him to hold back, but they are setup to weaken him, prevent his power from increasing to a level he may not be able to control because of how great they are.

And then you add the sundip, forget it, the team is toast.

Superman's emotional state has always affected his powers.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Superman's emotional state has always affected his powers.

I never realized that, I always thought that him holding back was like a home run hitter trying to slap a single.

Never thought it would turn him from Mark Mcgwire to Alvero Espinoza. LOL

Originally posted by Diesldude
I never realized that, I always thought that him holding back was like a home run hitter trying to slap a single.

Never thought it would turn him from Mark Mcgwire to Alvero Espinoza. LOL

Oh, it's both.

He holds back as a rule, but, say, he's in a fight with Doomsday, his emotions actually alter how much solar energy he absorbs.

That's a good explanation, I see you point, he absorbs more energy when he isn't holding back. 👆

Originally posted by -Pr-
Superman's emotional state has always affected his powers.

About Superman vs a magical BFR when he is awake it might play differently depending on his mental state.

About illusions, He has other senses to compensate. Not saying it won't work, It could work, but that will depend on how actively he will be using his other senses.

Originally posted by -Pr-
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Just because he's in an OWAW mindset doesn't make him less like Superman. Like I said:

IMO I think he is going to get into high gear faster than what many will think. Especially if in "rage" mode He goes right away into the blitz.

When he is sundipped how ever, he does tends to move at super speeds right off the bat. Or that is what his sundipped state scans indicate.

Originally posted by Diesldude
Rao Kal El, this is an interesting scan that you posted earlier.

Just noticed what superman said in the bottom panel on the left.

Superman's powers started to increase once he stopped holding back.

Not only do his mental blocks force him to hold back, but they are setup to weaken him, prevent his power from increasing to a level he may not be able to control because of how great they are.

And then you add the sundip, forget it, the team is toast.

👆

Originally posted by Eel O'Brien
It never occurred to me to use Superman's different encounters with B13 as a reference point to his power increase after the sundip.

Superman dropped his mental blocks and started owning probes that could beat the League, but still couldn't seem to affect B13, then after the dip he did seem to have an advantage as B13 couldn't stop him from the big bang bfr.

Looking at it that way makes sun-dipped Superman seem REALLY powerful.

Good post.

Thanks 😛

Originally posted by Diesldude
Superman underwent the training to remove mental blocks he himself had placed. Those blocks were so strong and instilled within him that he had to undergo this training just to remove them. I don't think Thor nor SS have mental blocks that force them to hold back like the ones superman placed on himself, so Im not sure how that training will help thor or SS.

Both Thor and Surfer hold back to a large extent...ESPECIALLY Surfer. Removing mental blocks on Surfer would make him one of the most deadliest being (minus abstracts and skyfathers) in MU.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
What can I say. You should, because there is good material to be read. I recommend you to read Batman "Cacophony" or "No man's land" there is plenty of good material to read. You just have to take a chance.

I think you missed the point here. I was implying the power level in which He is operating at sun dipped levels, Not that He will particularly use freeze breath to defeat a frost giant offspring. I that case I will say HV will do the job, specially when HE can warm earth almost instantly

lol, no. The scans indicate that in a no-mental block mind state, He will go for the speed attacks, kind of turning CIS off.

Couple of things, I have seen the instance and the ectoplasmic entity did not dodge the bfr, Since I read that comic I can tell you that the ectoplasmic entity did not had super speed nor even body mass to fight against such tactic.

Dr. Fate BFR worked on a KO'ed Superman, He was not even moving.

Now, you can assume that Superman is just going to stay there with out moving and it may work, because he is not moving nor resisting it, but if he is awake and sun dipped?

This is what he endured while amped with kismet

I'm guessing We are reading different comics, because here, even though Thor has the time dilation advantage and He already is prepared for attack, Gladiator manages 2 punches with out Thor responding. Bear in mind that THOR has the full effect of time dilation and this Gladiator has been exerting himself to keep those speeds.

Look here, He already knows something is about to happen and He is ready for the attack and yet Gladiator lands the first attack

and then a second attack

I know Thor is fast, but there are some level of speeds he won't be able to react to. Relatively speaking Gladiator's reflexes are above Thor's and this is a Marvel constant.

This is why I say, you should read OWAW, I know this is a team of two, but Superman is fighting on another level.

Superman one shots them

Originally posted by carver9
Both Thor and Surfer hold back to a large extent...ESPECIALLY Surfer. Removing mental blocks on Surfer would make him one of the most deadliest being (minus abstracts and skyfathers) in MU.

Surfer and Thor don't usually hold back when blasting or hitting with the hammer.
Now you can say Surfer holds back by not doing his more exotic powers. But some would argue that he's not thinking of those things all the time (and not because he is holding back).

Originally posted by h1a8
Surfer and Thor don't usually hold back when blasting or hitting with the hammer.
Now you can say Surfer holds back by not doing his more exotic powers. But some would argue that he's not thinking of those things all the time (and not because he is holding back).

Lol...Surfer by far is one of the most passive character in comics. If you don't think Surfer holds back then something is wrong with you. We already saw what a cut lose Surfer does to release anger, and that's using blasts that had enough power to create black holes millions of miles wide. I don't even know why I am responding to you about this. You are right, Surfer and Thor always go all out. They don't have mental blocks.

LOL@h1

Most heroic heralds hold back.

Then there is people like Black Adam.

There is a difference when you are holding back and You are doing so subconsciously. Superman does both

Salsa, first and foremost, thank you for the scans.

That was a really impressive and generous contribution to the thread and is sincerely appreciated, for I imagine even for you, that took some time and effort to arrange.

(I think it would take me till June 10th to give a similar volume, and I am unfortunately not joking when I say that.)

Thank you again for the sheer virtue of supplying so much to all of us.

Now, specifically ...

Originally posted by Rao Kal El

Superman vs ... magical BFR ...

might play differently depending on his mental state ...

The above isn't from Our Worlds at War (OWAW), and I really have little idea where you could have pulled it, but I have to say this was easily the most relevant and impressive response to the topic.

I never imagined Superman had any recourse against any form of magical battlefield removal (BFR), and never until you posted this did I recall seeing him do aught but fail against it.

I don't even now know how they justified it, of course, and, really, I'm not sure they can, but now at least I can give credence to the idea that BFR could fail against Superman, which I couldn't honestly do before yesterday.

Originally posted by Diesldude
That's a good explanation, I see you point, he absorbs more energy when he isn't holding back. 👆

Yep.

Originally posted by mighty adam
explain please. I never was aware of this.

when superman gets angry, his body absorbs more solar energy, and gets more powerful. kind of like how a human gets their adrenaline pumping.

Originally posted by carver9
Both Thor and Surfer hold back to a large extent...ESPECIALLY Surfer. Removing mental blocks on Surfer would make him one of the most deadliest being (minus abstracts and skyfathers) in MU.

Not remotely the same thing.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
IMO I think he is going to get into high gear faster than what many will think. Especially if in "rage" mode He goes right away into the blitz.

When he is sundipped how ever, he does tends to move at super speeds right off the bat. Or that is what his sundipped state scans indicate.

👆

Thanks 😛

I don't agree, especially seeing as he isn't fighting probes in this fight. if it was probes, then things would be different. either way... shrug

Originally posted by h1a8
Surfer and Thor don't usually hold back when blasting or hitting with the hammer.
Now you can say Surfer holds back by not doing his more exotic powers. But some would argue that he's not thinking of those things all the time (and not because he is holding back).

stop.

It's so easy to forget that there's an "active" aspect to Superman's energy absorption also. If he puts his mind to it then he can take in incredible amounts. Not saying he'll necessarily be able to utilize it, but absorb it at least.

Might not work as well against magic though 🙂

Originally posted by h1a8
Surfer and Thor don't usually hold back when blasting or hitting with the hammer.
Now you can say Surfer holds back by not doing his more exotic powers. But some would argue that he's not thinking of those things all the time (and not because he is holding back).

So, Thor was lying when he stated that he holds back when fighting mortals?