Voldemort vs. Sauron

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ak kills the body which can happen as easily as knocking the ring off. It's like showing a monster killed by having his throat cut and demanding I prove he can die another way. Your logic is abysmal.

Debates work by proving powers or spells work. If you feel they don't work on a being it is up to you to prove it.

Sauron's body can die quite easily.

Silly A-B logic again.

And you've yet to prove AK will "kill" Sauron's body. You're just repeatedly asserting without actually showing proof.

We see his body destroyed when the One Ring is removed; that's what is in the film. Now prove your claim that AK can do that, or STFU and move on to something else. Try and think outside the box for once.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Superior power ? 😂 Based off what ?

He has two feats. Beating Gandalf the White and using his mace to blow through warriors.

Him having a bigger army shows how inept he was. Thanks. Voldemort conquered with less. Nice going, ace.

Voldemort's army didn't lose to a team of teenagers. Did you not watch the films ?

Which are far better than anything Voldy has ever accomplished in his life.

Nope, it shows the scale and level of his influence. Which transcends Voldemort's.

It absolutely did. Sauron had to be beaten via plot device, while Voldy got owned by his own spell. Awful. 👇

Originally posted by Robtard
Silly A-B logic again.

And you've yet to prove AK will "kill" Sauron's body. You're just repeatedly asserting without actually showing proof.

We see his body destroyed when the One Ring is removed; that's what is in the film. Now prove your claim that AK can do that, or STFU and move on to something else. Try and think outside the box for once.

Sauron's body can be killed. Ak kills bodies therefore the conclusion is Ak kills his body. Introduce evidence to suggest why it doesn't work, germ.

I don't have to since we clearly see his body die therefore it can be killed. If your claim is the only way to kill him is to remove the ring you will have to prove it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
False.

Sauron's body can be killed. Ak kills bodies therefore the conclusion is Ak kills his body. Introduce evidence to suggest why it doesn't work, germ.

I don't have to since we clearly see his body die therefore it can be killed. If your claim is the only way to kill him is to remove the ring you will have to prove it.

Nope.

No limit fallacy still.

Yes, I'm afraid the burden of proof is on you, since you're the one that claimed "AK kills Sauron's body". Shifting the burden is a silly troll tactic 🙂

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
The Sword is Narsil, and it was specifically ained to slice off the fingers. The separation of the ring from Sauron is what did him in, not the sword strike itself. Prove Voldemort can replicate this without separating the ring from Sauron.

Because the Ring provides invulnerability, witness him literally stonewalling the Last Alliance.

None of which affect Sauron unless they manage to sever the Ring from him.

Nope, once the Ring wwas constructed, there is literally only one way to defeat him, and only one way to destroy him permanently. Voldemort possesses no knowledge of this, and thus he falls, as Voldemort is not as invulnerable as Sauron is.

It didn't provide him with invulnerability. We see his attacks killing the men not him resisting any attacks. When Isuldor attacks his damages him with a broken sword thus proving he was not invulnerable.

You'd have to prove it since a broken sword had the power to damage him.

You made a claim without proof. Awful debater. Honestly.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Based on the movies.

Which are far better than anything Voldy has ever accomplished in his life.

Nope, it shows the scale and level of his influence. Which transcends Voldemort's.

It absolutely did. Sauron had to be beaten via plot device, while Voldy got owned by his own spell. Awful. 👇

That is a vague and silly statement. Voldemort actually took control of the wizarding world whereas Sauron failed to do so with more manpower.

Sauron lost to a sword. Voldemort had multiple plot devices against him whereas a broken sword owned Sauron. 🙂

Originally posted by Robtard
Nope.

No limit fallacy still.

Yes, I'm afraid the burden of proof is on you, since you're the one that claimed "AK kills Sauron's body". Shifting the burden is a silly troll tactic 🙂

Sauron's body can die. Ak kills. Point proven. Sauron is easier to kill than humans. Can't kill a person by cutting off a ringer finger.

I backed my claims you just repeat yourself and are unable to grasp simple points or even debate.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes.

Sauron's body can die. Ak kills. Point proven. Sauron is easier to kill than humans. Can't kill a person by cutting off a ringer finger.

I backed my claims you just repeat yourself and are unable to grasp simple points or even debate.

/derp

You're ignoring that it was the loss of the ring again. Basic LoTR lore 🙂

You've yet to show a single bit of proof to your assertions, all you can do is either 'no limit' it up or tey and shift the burden of proof 🙂

Originally posted by Robtard
/derp

You're ignoring that it was the loss of the ring again. Basic LoTR lore 🙂

You've yet to show a single bit of proof to your assertions, all you can do is either 'no limit' it up or tey and shift the burden of proof 🙂

That's the point which keeps escaping you.

Ak kills. Sauron can die. 1+1=2.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That is one way to kill him not the only way.

That's the point which keeps escaping you.

Ak kills. Sauron can die. 1+1=2.

Proof of this claim? Only other way we saw was when the One Ring was destroyed in Mt. Doom.

AK doesn't remove rings or destroy The One Ring from what is shown in the films. You like to think AK is a "can do whatever I need it to" spell. It isn't 🙂

'No limit' still. "AK killed a wizard in cloth, so it can kill anything". Silly argument, which shows a complete lack of imagination, considering Voldemort's spell repetoire.

Originally posted by Robtard
Proof of this claim? Only other way we saw was when the One Ring was destroyed in Mt. Doom.

AK doesn't remove rings or destroy The One Ring from what is shown in the films. You like to think AK is a "can do whatever I need it to" spell. It isn't 🙂

'No limit' still. "AK killed a wizard in cloth, so it can kill anything". Silly argument, which shows a complete lack of imagination, considering Voldemort's spell repetoire.

Ak kills the body. That's all that needs to occur to win the thread. Sauron lost the battle and many years later failed to come back to a body.

🙂

Ak kills the body which has already been proven can happen much easier than a kill spell.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Only way to destroy the ring in this universe is tossing it in Mount Doom. New see his body dies just by severing the ring. No different than saying Voldemort cannot be truly killed unless the Horcruxes are destroyed.

Ak kills the body. That's all that needs to occur to win the thread. Sauron lost the battle and many years later failed to come back to a body.

🙂

Ak kills the body which has already been proven can happen much easier than a kill spell.

Already said that if Voldemort destroys Sauron's body it's a win; he doesn't need to actually kill him like we see in RoTK, as I explained to you that is how Sauron actually died 🙂

Still with that same 'no limit' "AK killed a wizard, so it can kill anything". Assertions without proof are like farts in the wind here 🙂

Originally posted by Robtard
Already said that if Voldemort destroys Sauron's body it's a win; he doesn't need to actually kill him like we see in RoTK, as I explained to you that is how Sauron actually died 🙂

Still with that same 'no limit' "AK killed a wizard, so it can kill anything". Assertions without proof are like farts in the wind here 🙂

Just because it can kill Sauron doesn't mean it can kill everyone. Again ring finger.

😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Well who cares then say it doesn't go against anything I said or have anything to do with how someone wins here.

Just because it can kill Sauron doesn't mean it can kill everyone. Again ring finger.

😂

The difference is stating the truths based on the films vs making something up. You were doing the later.

Repeatedly making the assertion that AK will kill Sauron without showing proof is silly. You've done it 12 pages now 🙂

Originally posted by Robtard
The difference is stating the truths based on the films vs making something up. You were doing the later.

Repeatedly making the assertion that AK will kill Sauron without showing proof is silly. You've done it 12 pages now 🙂

Ak kills. Sauron can be killed therefore Sauron dies. Your claim is he resists it. Show me him resisting anything. The guy can't even resist a half broken sword.

😂

He didn't last more than 1 minute once he engaged his foes in battle.

'Well originally Sauron was Maia (Wizard like Gandalf) before he was corrupted by Morgoth. So its safe to assume he has a good grounding in magic. During the 1st age (The Silmarillion) he was also able to change into multiple creatures Werewolves, giant serpents and a vampires being among them. during the 2end Age (Children Of Hurin or Unfinished Tales I can't remember which book was second age) Morgoth had given him the ability to alter the substance of the world around him (low level reality warping). It was assumed he still retained these abilities by the 3rd age (Lord Of The Rings) but simply chose not to use them until Isildur separated him from the ring rendering him powerless. Imo he's capable of everything Voldemort is and more'

Originally posted by Firefly218
'Well originally Sauron was Maia (Wizard like Gandalf) before he was corrupted by Morgoth. So its safe to assume he has a good grounding in magic. During the 1st age (The Silmarillion) he was also able to change into multiple creatures Werewolves, giant serpents and a vampires being among them. during the 2end Age (Children Of Hurin or Unfinished Tales I can't remember which book was second age) Morgoth had given him the ability to alter the substance of the world around him (low level reality warping). It was assumed he still retained these abilities by the 3rd age (Lord Of The Rings) but simply chose not to use them until Isildur separated him from the ring rendering him powerless. Imo he's capable of everything Voldemort is and more'

You can't use book knowledge to supplement movie knowledge, because it further threatens quan's bias. If you recreated this thread in the Foreign Cinema/Whatever Versus sub-forum, he wouldn't post. I assume not only because he is afraid he would lose, but because he hasn't read any of the books.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
You can't use book knowledge to supplement movie knowledge, because it further threatens quan's bias. If you recreated this thread in the Foreign Cinema/Whatever Versus sub-forum, he wouldn't post. I assume not only because he is afraid he would lose, but because he hasn't read any of the books.

Well, I made a thread but I guess you can't attend because of your self-professed ignorance.

Concession accepted.