Originally posted by quanchi112
It's repetitive and stale to me. I also don't find it very mature and tend to gravitate towards the adult violence as opposed to kiddie Link.
I understand the critic towards the kiddy looks on Nintendo franchises in general, I just think that as long as the games are superior to their third party counterparts it doesn't really matter all that much. You may deplore their aesthetics, but colorful and carefree graphics need to exist in gaming, they are an asset to the industry altogether.
@ScreamPaste: Nowadays I can understand a reasonable argument as to why Nintendo has economical problems, and to buy the Wii U is not just a given despite the console having decent specs for today's standards. The Wii U just doesn't have a huge game library to be massively bought just yet, and without a good videogame library Nintendo Systems are not really anything to brag about.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
No system launches with a huge library. 😛 This fall is looking good, gamewise though, and I've gotten good use out of mine so far.
In recent launches? No, they've been crap. But many 1st generation games from old consoles were decent launches, personally I don't think rushing their console out last year is making Nintendo any favors. Definitively looking foward to their first hit titles though
Couple of things:
1. I made an omelet and put lots of hot sauce on it. Got hot sauce on my finger, licked it off, few minutes later, rubbed my eye: hot sauce not all gone from finger. 😐
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Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I also doubt that the claws will go through the shield or sword.
Definitely could cut through the shield as it is typical military issue (and metal): nothing magical about it.
But the Sword of Time probably is indestructible to anything but strong reality warping magic.
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Originally posted by ScreamPaste
...Link is also class 100+ and could replicate the feats I've seen from Colossus, such as the submarine lift.
This is Twilight Princess Link. He's a 1-5 ton lifter without equipment. He has no gauntlets like OoT Link.
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Originally posted by quanchi112
It is simple common sense that my strength could quadruple and I won't suddenly become sword proof or unkoable I will just be stronger.There is inconsistency in every area of fiction including Link.
Not so fast. If your strength increases, your durability most certainly does increase. Else going from a 90 ton class to a really strong 100+ ton class would have people shattering their flesh and bones attempting to use their stupidly strong muscles. Even the forces against their flesh (PSI) from holding such heavy objects would be enough to obliterate their flesh, alone.
It is one of the dumb things about giving comic book characters super strength: writers do not understand physics at all. If a person gets a massive strength bump, they get a compensatory durability bump so they can function with that strength or else they would, as I described, shatter and pulverize their shit when attempting to use their newfound strength.
Their skin, their bones, and their muscles all have to have a massive durability bump with their strength bump to even use them.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Link just got stronger is all. That's it. His durability didn't magically change.
As fact, when you get stronger, your durability increases. Your bones become denser, the tensile strength of your muscles increase and your skin literally becomes harder (if you are doing martial arts). That's the real world.
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Originally posted by ScreamPaste
The ball and chain he uses to knock hundreds of tons of ice and monster around like a pinball?
Gameplay, man....gameplay.
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Originally posted by ScreamPaste
No, it proves that you're incapable of making a sensible comparison. Russell can anchor himself, ergo, your example fails to even be relevant.'Girly' Link could juggle cars, making Russell look like a pissant.
I lol'd, you think Russell could stop a Goron from crushing him, let alone harm one?
About Russell: then the very very top surface of the assphalt (lol) would rip up because it is gripping just the top part of the asphalt.
So if he can anchor himself by gripping the surfaces, his feat would still fail horribly to pass a physics test. This is, unless of course, he has a magical gripping ability...like Link's iron boots seem to have.
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Originally posted by quanchi112
Damage isn't the same as it is in cutscenes. It proves he can take damage but not to the same extent IMO.
I agree, here. Link is "human" in most cut scenes. Link standing up to Ganon and other stuff like that is not indicative of his strength but indicative of the Triforce of Courage's power against evil. Wolverine is not evil nor does he have the Triforce of Power.
Definitely could cut through the shield as it is typical military issue (and metal): nothing magical about it.But the Sword of Time probably is indestructible to anything but strong reality warping magic.
The shield is not in fact military issue or non-magical, SS explains it's constant reappearance in the series as a result of the shield being completely indestructible. (tm)
This is Twilight Princess Link. He's a 1-5 ton lifter without equipment. He has no gauntlets like OoT Link.
This is, unless of course, he has a magical gripping ability...This is exactly what he has.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
The shield is not in fact military issue or non-magical, SS explains it's constant reappearance in the series as a result of the shield being completely indestructible. (tm)
False. I reject that retcon is as it states in OoT that it is standard military issue and it is made of regular human metal.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
This is where I begin to question whether you played TP, Link's lower ends feats are class 100 in TP. 😛
It is one of the 7 games I own for the Wii. 😐
This is where I question how much time you have been wasting on OBD and their rubbish calculations. Gameplay stuff does not count or else shit gets stupid. (Such as link is virtually invincible to any and all attacks until you knock all of his heart containers down).
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
This is exactly what he has.
That was a shortened version of this: "...a magical gripping ability that extends dozens of meters deep and extends beyond the surface area of the portions of his feet in contact with the ground."
I shortened because I thought anyone reading would understand that.
False. I reject that retcon is as it states in OoT that it is standard military issue and it is made of regular human metal.
This is where I question how much time you have been wasting on OBD and their rubbish calculations. Gameplay stuff does not count or else shit gets stupid. (Such as link is virtually invincible to any and all attacks until you knock all of his heart containers down).
I did calcs before OBD. I also don't go to there. Also, hey, we agree on something, gameplay mechanics, such as the heart meter and enemy damage are non-canon.
Canon and unavoidable actions are something else entirely from a heart meter. Link does match Ganon in a sword lock, that leads directly into a cutscene. Link does toss Dangoro, he has to get past him. Link does overpower Fyrus, it's part of how he beat him.
Also, what's with calling The Master Sword the 'sword of time' and mistaking the ToC for having power against evil? The ToC has no specific power against evil. It's almost like you specifically formulated your post to be contrarian or something.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
In short, too bad. It's canon.
Other canon overrides your arbitrary selection: too bad, I am going with it being regular mortal metal and common issued.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Canon and unavoidable actions are something else entirely from a heart meter. Link does match Ganon in a sword lock, that leads directly into a cutscene. Link does toss Dangoro, he has to get past him. Link does overpower Fyrus, it's part of how he beat him.
I can just as easily conclude that Link's ability to match Ganon and anyone else in a sword fight is specifically due to their evil and his possession of the Triforce of Courage. That's supported by canon.
To bring it back on topic: The iron boots are obviously magical as they are...made of iron yet they grant Link the inertia of someone weighing multiple tons.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Also, what's with calling The Master Sword the 'sword of time' and mistaking the ToC for having power against evil? The ToC has no specific power against evil. It's almost like you specifically formulated your post to be contrarian or something.
1. You've been talking in PMs to people, obviously.
2. TP covered this. Triforce of courage is specifically used to combat evil and even more specifically the evil uses of the Triforce of Power....if and only if the person in possession of the ToC is chosen/empowered to do so by the ToC.
3. Master Sword is also known as the Sword of time.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Russel having some basic tactile telekinesis seems fairly plausible; it is one of the more common supernatural attributes afforded to vampires (It being a sort of evolution of novel Dracula's ability to climb and scale walls, though he had to do it on all fours and shoeless).
Sounds like an employment of the Casimir Effect if he had to go shoeless and use all fours. 😄 AKA, not magic.
Other canon overrides your arbitrary selection: too bad, I am going with it being regular mortal metal and common issued.
What was said was that it was 'like' the ones the Hylian Knights used. Characters we never actually see. The Hylian shield has never been damaged, and it is indestructible as per canon, and nothing within that canon contradicts it.
I can just as easily conclude that Link's ability to match Ganon and anyone else in a sword fight is specifically due to their evil and his possession of the Triforce of Courage. That's supported by canon.You could easily conclude it, but you'd be wrong. Link doesn't get stronger around evil people, otherwise he'd not be able to overpower the class 100 Gorons.
To bring it back on topic: The iron boots are obviously magical as they are...made of iron yet they grant Link the inertia of someone weighing multiple tons.They do indeed need to weigh about 35 tons per boot. Call 'em magical, sure. I don't think names matter all that much, since megaton hammer.
2. TP covered this. Triforce of courage is specifically used to combat evil and even more specifically the evil uses of the Triforce of Power....if and only if the person in possession of the ToC is chosen/empowered to do so by the ToC.
3. Master Sword is also known as the Sword of time.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Wrong. Most recent canon takes precedent, as in all works of fiction.
Wrong: if the retcon literally is contradicted by its own continuity, it can be thrown out as a shit attempt at rationalizing bullshit writing for a new game. This is not the bible: there are clear and distinct games. I reject your retcon and submit actual canon game evidence. You will never win this argument: ever.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Also, it was never said to be common issued or made of normal metal.
It did say it was issued to Hylian Knights and we see quite a few of them: it's quite common (go to the market in town and try to purchase the shield: that's where it tells you). The only thing we know is it is metal. That's it. The burden of proof is on you to find lore that says it is magical metal. Else, it is just the metal available to the technology available to the normal humans which would be steel, at best.
Edit - Nice try on the edit. Admit you were wrong and stop being dishonest. You found the portion it said it was the shield issued to the Hylian military.
And I reject your interpretation as literally incorrect word-play.
pretend more that the word "like" means it is not the same shield issued to the knights. Maybe that argument will actually work. Since you have to convince me, and I am clearly not convinced by your rubbish word-play attempt, argument rejected. We will stick with something that does not require extraordinary claims: it was the same type of shield issued to the knights. It is not magical and indestructible. I'd let that argument fly for the mirror shield, but not the standard issue shield of the Hylian military.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You could easily conclude it, but you'd be wrong.
You could state that, but you'd be contradicted by actual canon game cut-scenes.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Link doesn't get stronger around evil people, otherwise he'd not be able to overpower the class 100 Gorons.
His ironboots help him, there. Quanchi already destoryed you on this point. Why rehash?
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
They do indeed need to weigh about 35 tons per boot. Call 'em magical, sure. I don't think names matter all that much, since megaton hammer.
1. BS. I call BS because I can just as easily claim the rocks you're using to come up with the stuff for gorons are stupidly light-brittle rocks.
Megaton Hammer: does not actually weigh a ton.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
2. No it didn't.
Everything I said was correct.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
The Triforce of Courage is used to combat evil because Link got it when the Triforce proper split. The legend of the 'blue eyed beast' wasn't about the ToC, the ToC just happened to play a role in it. The Triforce pieces don't have agendas or alignments. Power could just as easily be used for good as evil and vice versa. Ganondorf recieved power when he touched the triforce in OoT and it split because it was the virtue of the three he most strongly represented. Link got courage for the same reason.
Waste of a post. I said the ToC:
"2. TP covered this. Triforce of courage is specifically used to combat evil and even more specifically the evil uses of the Triforce of Power....if and only if the person in possession of the ToC is chosen/empowered to do so by the ToC."
Go play TP, again. Pay attention to the Cut Scenes.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
3. Where exactly is it called that?
Link is 1-5 tons class lifter based on unassisted lifting feats (no equipment) (TP).
He is fast but his fighting speed is only that of a peak human, at best. Wolverine would literally run circles around link.
Wolverine's claws cut right through Link's shield and through Link's flesh because the shield is not made of something like adamantium nor is it magical. Wolverine wins 1,000,000 out of 1,000,000 times. Don't listen to the LoZ fanboys who commit horrible no-limits fallacies, don't pay attention to in game canon if it doesn't suit their arguments, and only accept lofty interpretations of feats to support their pro-Link bias.
This Link stands a better chance:
Just checked. Some nerds figured out how much more the Iron Boots make you weigh: 4.5 times. They figured this out with the Scale and special pots in the Temple of Time. This scale: YouTube video
So these are magical boots (due to their density being so great for their volume as to exclude all earthly materials) unless you want to claim that they are neutron-degenerate matter or electron-degenerate matter. In which case I could say: back it up with something in canon and I will concede that point.
Let link keep his 1-5 ton strength but give him magical mass and I can see how he can stand up to Goron's in a sumo match.
One more thing: Link is very durable partially due to his strength. But His durability is not anywhere near enough to stand up against Wolverine's claws.
Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Hylian sheild is magic and indestructible. That is cannon. Maybe the dragon made several sheilds for the knights after the surface was founded, who knows. But it is magic and indestructible.
False: it is a standard shield issued to the Hylian military. It was lost for centuries until the "Link" of TP got it. Additionally, the shield from TP is weathered/shows signs of wear.
It is clearly not indestructible. Compare this to Wolverine's claws which clearly get much more destructive use but are still brand-new looking. 🙂
Wolverine's claws are not indestructible, by the way, and they faired better than Link's barely used shield.
No matter how many times all of you mention the extra-game stuff, it is still not canon because it is contradicted by what occurs in the games.
games >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your opinion
Thousands of years and it got dusty. What's your point.
Newer game more relevant cannon. You're forgetting that at the time link got his sheild, he was a full knight. He went to the academy and everything.
Ss link's sheild was indestructible, ss link was a knight, the knight's shield was indestructible.