Originally posted by zopzop
And how does that explain Loki harming Surtur? FAIL.
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You guys are f**king with zop, but he's 100% correct; Loki was harming Surtur under his own power, and if he can do it, then a Trans Tier running around at FTL combat speed weilding a Primary Adamantium weapon is doing it too...
You guys are just reaching for a reason why the Runner cant win, but the fact of the matter is that the Runner only loses if he screws around and allows Surtur to hit him flush; given the dramatic difference in combat speed, thats the only way Surtur has a chance on any kind here...
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Pretty sure Loki's energy projection and sorcery is by default significantly more powerful than an unbreakable sword.
Ok...back this up with more than speculation then; give me some feats from Loki that would suggest that this is true.
Keep in mind that Primary Admantium stabbed right through an Infinity Gauntlet amped Thanos before you respond, so my position involves more than idle speculation...
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Stops at 5 for sure
And I'll ask you the same question that I've asked everyone else (that they have all failed to give an adequate answer to); how does Surtur beat a Primary Adamantium Katana weilding Runner thats hitting and running at FTL combat speed?
Before you answer, Surtur was so slow that he couldnt stop Loki can having success against him with this exact same tactic, and was only able to catch up to Loki after Loki got tired; the Runner is linked to the Power Primordial, so wont have that same problem...
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
But if you bothered to READ and UNDERSTAND what I wrote, you'd see I'm right. In terms of sheer power, Morg w/WoL can hurt/KO Runner, IF HE CATCHES HIM.
This is how fast Runner thinks and reacts. Makkari broke some kind of speed barrier and the rest of the universe looked like they were standing still, this included beings like Eternals and even Elders. The only people capable of interacting with him were "hyperfast" creatures and beings that could manipulate space/time :
Anyone on this list that isn't a "hyperfast" Speedster or has the ability to manipulate space/time, is basically a statue vs a PISLESS/CISLESS Runner.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
👆You guys are f**king with zop, but he's 100% correct; Loki was harming Surtur under his own power, and if he can do it, then a Trans Tier running around at FTL combat speed weilding a Primary Adamantium weapon is doing it too...
You guys are just reaching for a reason why the Runner cant win, but the fact of the matter is that the Runner only loses if he screws around and allows Surtur to hit him flush; given the dramatic difference in combat speed, thats the [b]only
way Surtur has a chance on any kind here... [/B]
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Ok...back this up with more than speculation then; give me some feats from Loki that would suggest that this is true.Keep in mind that Primary Admantium stabbed right through an Infinity Gauntlet amped Thanos before you respond, so my position involves more than idle speculation...
Back up the stance that Loki's sorcery is more potent by default than unbreakable metal?
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Back up the stance that Loki's sorcery is more potent by default than unbreakable metal?
Absolutely...back up your stance with feats; I have Primary Adamantium slicing right through an Infinity Gauntlet amped being...what feat does Loki's magic have thats "more potent" than that?
Nothing at all...
Your argument fails; the Runner with a Primary Adamantium weapon should be fully capable of harming Surtur...and to a greater extent than Loki's magic did.
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IIRC Thanos sort of depowered himself before he fought the heroes because he didn't want it to be so easy. Drax and Hulk were able to affect him with punches when really they shouldn't have. Wolverine stabing Thanos is not going to work on any IG wielder if serious.
I agree that a CISless Runner would clear this tho.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Ok...back this up with more than speculation then; give me some feats from Loki that would suggest that this is true.Keep in mind that Primary Admantium stabbed right through an Infinity Gauntlet amped Thanos before you respond, so my position involves more than idle speculation...
Loki's magic turns Bor into snow, can an adamantium katana replicate this feat?
Originally posted by zopzopI remember that comic-- it's the one where Makkari owned Runner in a race by traveling at light speed. 👆
This is how fast Runner thinks and reacts. Makkari broke some kind of speed barrier and the rest of the universe looked like they were standing still, this included beings like Eternals and even Elders. The only people capable of interacting with him were "hyperfast" creatures and beings that could manipulate space/time :
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Loki's magic turns Bor into snow, can an adamantium katana replicate this feat?
Apples to oranges...
Besides an IG amped Thanos>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bor.
As pertains the IG saga, Thanos merely cut off his sensory input when he fought the heroes (so that he wouldnt know their next move), but he retained infinite power...
LoL with the attempts to ignore the obvious truth; the Runner with a Primary Adamantium Katana clears this gauntlet...
Originally posted by Sundipped
I agree that a CISless Runner would clear this tho.
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I created this thread with the hypothesis that the Runner with a Primary Adamantium Katana would be a Skyfather level threat as pertains on on one combat; I was looking for a counter-argument against my hypothesis, but so far I havent seen a single argument that holds enough weight to contradict it...
We are in agreement; the Runner clears this gauntlet...
Originally posted by Galan007
Runner has beaten Surfer and Thanos. Those are his 2 best feats, by far. Yet somehow giving him an adamantium club shoots him up to being able to defeat a high-end Skyfather?Like I said: that is a laughable assertion, at best.
Power doesnt always equate to superior combat ability; go back through this thread and tell me exactly how Surtur wins based on what has been written here...
Your argument so far is nothing more than Surtur wins because hes a Skyfather, but thats a BS argument as he cant beat what he cant hit...furthermore I have shown siginificantly lesser characters successfully both speed blitzing and harming Surtur.
All evidence points to this being a very, very, bad matchup for Surtur...
Why ignore the truth?
PS...its an Adamantium Katana, not a club; are you posting without even knowing what you are talking about? LoL...
I don't get why the adamantium katana makes such a difference here.
I'm not sure Bor would be very much harmed by it under normal circumstances. Bor's skin was literally harder than Mjolnir, which in turn went completely unscratched by Wolverine's adamantium claws. Even if it's a Trans-level being, I'd imagine that any significant damage with it would come at a cost, like it shattering. The same way an all-out amped Mjolnir strike did when it struck Bor flush.
As for Surtur, it'd be like a tiny needle. Maybe he gets his eye poked out, but pretty sure it doesn't become much more of a nuisance to him. And even if it's plunged into him... I'm inclined to think it'd melt or slag.
The adamantium sword itself becomes more and more meaningless the higher this goes.