Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Apples to oranges...Besides an IG amped Thanos>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bor.
As pertains the IG saga, Thanos merely cut off his sensory input when he fought the heroes (so that he wouldnt know their next move), but he retained infinite power...
LoL with the attempts to ignore the obvious truth; the Runner with a Primary Adamantium Katana clears this gauntlet...
IG Thanos that weakened himself and gave the heroes a chance to win you mean?
Originally posted by ODG
I don't get why the adamantium katana makes such a difference here.I'm not sure Bor would be very much harmed by it under normal circumstances. Bor's skin was literally harder than Mjolnir, which in turn went completely unscratched by Wolverine's adamantium claws. Even if it's a Trans-level being, I'd imagine that any significant damage with it would come at a cost, like it shattering. The same way an all-out amped Mjolnir strike did when it struck Bor flush.
As for Surtur, it'd be like a tiny needle. Maybe he gets his eye poked out, but pretty sure it doesn't become much more of a nuisance to him. And even if it's plunged into him... I'm inclined to think it'd melt or slag.
The adamantium sword itself becomes more and more meaningless the higher this goes.
But what happens to Surtur when he's stuck by that tiny needle a million times? It'll all add up (and if 1 million needle picks dont do the job, then the Runner will double that; he draws strength from the Power Primordial...stamina isnt an issue), and theres no evidence to suggest that Surturs innards are hot enough to melt Primary Adamantium...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurderI imagine Surtur'd be annoyed by being pinpricked a million times. Err... Surtur contains enough power in his body to destroy a universe.
But what happens to Surtur when he's stuck by that tiny needle a million times? It'll all add up (and if 1 million needle picks dont do the job, then the Runner will double that; he draws strength from the Power Primordial...stamina isnt an issue), and theres no evidence to suggest that Surturs innards are hot enough to melt Primary Adamantium...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurderfacepalm
Power doesnt always equate to superior combat ability; go back through this thread and tell me exactly how Surtur wins based on what has been written here...Your argument so far is nothing more than Surtur wins because hes a Skyfather, but thats a BS argument as he cant beat what he cant hit...furthermore I have shown siginificantly lesser characters successfully both speed blitzing and harming Surtur.
All evidence points to this being a very, very, bad matchup for Surtur...
Why ignore the truth?
PS...its an Adamantium Katana, not a club; are you posting without even knowing what you are talking about? LoL...
Can you point me to an instance in which Surtur was harmed by non-magical energies/items? Because I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around the notion that a generic adamantium sword would give Runner an advantage against a Skyfather-level being whom is: "more a force of nature, limitless in power, than a physical foe."
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15813888/Thor_v2_040_06.jpg.html
(Frankly, I'd be shocked if an adamantium katana could even pierce Surtur's hide.)
Hell it took the combined power of Odin+Thor+Loki, just to knock Surtur down:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15813909/1.jpg.html
...Said attack(s) caused him absolutely no lasting damage, btw:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15813910/2.jpg.html
Runner /w/ a sword>>Odin+Thor+Loki? Get real.
Hell even a swordless Surtur was still equal to full-power Odin(the same Odin that Galactus himself was hard-pressed to defeat):
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15813911/3.jpg.html
Runner /w/ a sword>> FP Odin? Get real.
Originally posted by ODG
I imagine Surtur'd be annoyed by being pinpricked a million times. Err... Surtur contains enough power in his body to destroy a universe.
So you think it would be a stalemate then?
Btw, a Twilight weilding Surtur was more than "annoyed" by Thor and Loki's attacks (and I know you've read the Surtur Saga; its all on panel and I can show it), but you simutaneously think the Runner can do nothing but annoy Surtur?
That doesnt add up...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurderI don't get your disbelief. I feel it has more to do with semantics over what you think "annoyed" means more than anything else.
So you think it would be a stalemate then?Btw, a Twilight weilding Surtur was more than "annoyed" by Thor and Loki's attacks (and I know you've read the Surtur Saga; its all on panel and I can show it), but you simutaneously think the Runner can do nothing but annoy Surtur?
That doesnt add up...
Originally posted by Galan007
facepalmCan you point me to an instance in which Surtur was harmed by non-magical energies/items? Because I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around the notion that a generic adamantium sword would give Runner an advantage against a Skyfather-level being whom is: "more a force of nature, limitless in power, than a physical foe."
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15813888/Thor_v2_040_06.jpg.html
(Frankly, I'd be shocked if an adamantium katana could even pierce Surtur's hide.)Hell it took the combined power of Odin+Thor+Loki, just to knock Surtur down:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15813909/1.jpg.html...Said attack(s) caused him absolutely no lasting damage, btw:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15813910/2.jpg.html
Runner /w/ a sword>>Odin+Thor+Loki? Get real.Hell even a swordless Surtur was still equal to full-power Odin(the same Odin that Galactus himself was hard-pressed to defeat):
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15813911/3.jpg.html
Runner /w/ a sword>> FP Odin? Get real.
Excellent, so now you then acknowledge that you have no conception of what "context" is and admit that you never read the Surtur Saga! Thanks for the honesty!! 💃
The reason why none of the damage produced lasting damage is because Surtur was able to draw upon the power of the Eternal Flame (via Twilight) to constantly replenish his strength in that arc...
Well guess what? The Eternal Flame is not in this senario, so he wont be able to constantly replenish his strength via Twilight...will he?
You argument equals fail; so what if his overall power level is equal to Odins...Surtur isnt as versatile with the use of his power as Odin is...
And you still have nothing to suggest that Surtur can ever lay a hand on the Runner as Surtur is slower than Loki combat wise...
Combine that with the fact that (for a Skyfather level being), Surtur doesnt have the greatest durability, and Surtur has a bad matchup on his hands when he faces off against the Runner...
Logic 101; class is on Mon/Weds/Fri...9-10am...be there!
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Originally posted by ODG
I don't get your disbelief. I feel it has more to do with semantics over what you think "annoyed" means more than anything else.
I know what Surtur said, so it has nothing to do with semantics...
So, is this a stalemate then? If not, explain how Surtur wins since you seem to be suggesting just that...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurderSounds to me like you're just projecting Mjolnir's ability to hurt Skyfathers+Abstracts onto a simple adamantium sword. Which wouldn't be semantics, but something else entirely.
I know what Surtur [b]said, so it has nothing to do with semantics...So, is this a stalemate then? If not, explain how Surtur wins since you seem to suggesting just that... [/B]
I dunno, let's loose a controlled blast of flame that incinerates the immediate area?
Originally posted by Galan007
I remember that comic-- it's the one where Makkari owned Runner in a race by traveling at light speed. 👆
Also, Makkarai isn't in the list of people Runner is up against. More fail from you. 👇
@LoM
Excellent point you made regarding Surtur vs Odin in terms of power versatility. I think that was even mentioned in a handbook entry too.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurderWait, so you're giving Surtur the Twilight Sword in this battle, but not allowing him to use it for what it was created for(ie. channeling power from the Eternal Flame)..? Makes sense(dur).
Excellent, so now you then acknowledge that you have no conception of what "context" is and admit that you never read the Surtur Saga! Thanks for the honesty!! 💃The reason why none of the damage produced lasting damage is because Surtur was able to draw upon the power of the Eternal Flame (via Twilight) to constantly replenish his strength in that arc...
Well guess what? The Eternal Flame is not in this senario, so he wont be able to constantly replenish his strength via Twilight...will he?
You argument equals fail; so what if his overall power level is equal to Odins...Surtur isnt as versatile with the use of his power as Odin is...
And you [b]still
have nothing to suggest that Surtur can ever lay a hand on the Runner as Surtur is slower than Loki combat wise...Combine that with the fact that (for a Skyfather level being), Surtur doesnt have the greatest durability, and Surtur has a bad matchup on his hands when he faces off against the Runner...
Logic 101; class is on Mon/Weds/Fri...9-10am...be there!
💃 [/B]
After all, I suppose neutering a character's power that you're debating against is the easiest way to aid your argument(even though it really doesn't, as Surtur is still equal to Odin, even w/o the Sword.) If you ever make a Thanos /w/ IG thread, you should give Thanos all of the infinity gems, but not allow him to use any of their powers... That'd make about as much sense as what you're doing here. 👆
Anywho, you completely dodged my initial question. Again:
Can you point me to an instance in which Surtur was harmed by non-magical energies/items? Because I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around the notion that a generic adamantium sword would give Runner an advantage against a Skyfather-level being whom is: "more a force of nature, limitless in power, than a physical foe."
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15813888/Thor_v2_040_06.jpg.html
(Frankly, I'd be shocked if an adamantium katana could even pierce Surtur's hide.)
Originally posted by ODG
Sounds to me like you're just projecting Mjolnir's ability to hurt Skyfathers+Abstracts onto a simple adamantium sword. Which wouldn't be semantics, but something else entirely.I dunno, let's loose a controlled blast of flame that incinerates the immediate area?
You do know of the Runners combat speed? That blast of flame would be moving in very slow motion from the Runners point of view; he could evade that without effort...
He was laughing at Thanos when Thanos attempted to blast him by running circles around him; this would be no different...
Originally posted by ODG
I'm not sure Bor would be very much harmed by it under normal circumstances. Bor's skin was literally harder than Mjolnir, which in turn went completely unscratched by Wolverine's adamantium claws. Even if it's a Trans-level being, I'd imagine that any significant damage with it would come at a cost, like it shattering. The same way an all-out amped Mjolnir strike did when it struck Bor flush.
Originally posted by Galan007
Wait, so you're giving Surtur the Twilight Sword in this battle, but not allowing him to use it for what it was created for(ie. channeling power from the Eternal Flame)..? Makes sense(dur).After all, I suppose neutering a character's power that you're debating against is the easiest way to aid your argument(even though it really doesn't, as Surtur is still equal to Odin, even w/o the Sword.) If you ever make a Thanos /w/ IG thread, you should give Thanos all of the infinity gems, but not allow him to use any of their powers... That'd make about as much sense as what you're doing here. 👆
Anywho, you completely dodged my initial question. Again:
Originally posted by zopzop😂
Yeah, then you'd remember that fact that hyper speedsters like him and Runner see other beings around them as statues, UNLESS the beings are hyper speedsters like themselves or can manipulate space/time.Also, Makkarai isn't in the list of people Runner is up against. More fail from you. 👇
The point of that post, dear zop, is that per the comic you're quoting, Runner cannot equal(let alone exceed) the speed of light. Surfer, for example, would demolish him in a race(based on that comic.)
Originally posted by zopzopHe keeps referring people to the original Surtur/Twilight saga, dear zop. Based on that, his original intention seemed overtly clear to me. Naturally, though, he's opting to change his stance a bit.
How many times has he had his sword and channeled the Eternal Flame?
ie. he/you can post scans of Thor/Loki 'harming' Surtur, but when I post good Surtur-feats from that same arc, they're inadmissible. Perfectly logical amirite?
@Galan 007
So what if he is more than a physical foe; others that are "more than physical" have been harmed by non-magical attacks before afterall...
In the Surtur Saga, Heimdall staggered Surtur just by throwing his body into him; Surtur is very vulnerable to physical non-magical attacks...its right there on panel.
Originally posted by Galan007
He keeps referring people to the original Surtur/Twilight saga, dear zop. Based on that, his original intention seemed overtly clear to me. Naturally, though, he's opting to change his stance a bit.ie. he/you can post scans of Thor/Loki 'harming' Surtur, but when I post good feats from that same arc, they're inadmissible. Perfectly logical amirite?
What stance am I changing? Be specific...
I never said your scans were inadmissible btw (you lack reading comprehension as well?); I countered your stance that Odin, Loki, and Thor's combined attack did no lasting damage with the context of what was going on...
I mean its clear that you never actually read the arc, but are commenting on it afterall...
So once again, you argument fails...
Originally posted by Galan007
😂The point of that post, dear zop, is that per the comic you're quoting, Runner cannot equal(let alone exceed) the speed of light. Surfer, for example, would demolish him in a race(based on that comic.)
And Surtur cant equal Loki...so the Runner annihilates Surtur as pertains combat speed...right?
