The Runner with a Primary Adamantium Katana runs the gauntlet...

Originally posted by zopzop
FAIL.

A) That was a retelling/summary by Odin. On panel we saw he destroyed a galactic core
B) That old ass scan of him boasting about "galaxy busting" power, he amassed all that energy just to destroy the Earth BY MELTING IT'S POLAR ICE CAPS. 😆
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My Sentry comment from earlier was SO damn appropriate in this situation.
Sentry "Power of a million exploding suns"
Surtur "Power of a thousand blazing suns"

So since we're taking word of mouth and boasting as evidence. Does that mean Sentry is thousands of times more powerful than Surtur? LOL

LOL. The hyperbole is laughable. There's some six degree stuff going on here between Sentry and Surtur.

What's the big deal about Sutur destroying a galactic core anyway? Who here thinks Runner is getting caught up in that? He'll be in a neighboring galaxy before the devastation is completed.

Originally posted by leonidas
the issue of speed is also an old one. just because surtur has not fought anyone as fast as runner, doesn't mean he couldn't find a way to hit him with some massive aoe attack. he also smashed thor once, while thor was darting around with his undefined 'lightning-like' speed....surtur is not slow, just really big. eventually runner would make a mistake and surtur would end him.

You can't put Thor and Runner in the same category speedwise. If Runner doesn't suffer from CIS, no way is Surtur touching him at all. This is not just "lighting speed" we're talking about.

Originally posted by Raisen
There's also a panel where Spiderman says Sentry fought Galactus to a stand still. You think that happened?

Additionally, Odin possesses a much higher level of 'all-knowingness' than Peter... So that is a horrendous analogy.

In the end, it really doesn't matter if it was a galactic core or the entire galaxy. That part of the discussion has very little to do with the argument at hand.

Originally posted by Galan007
The difference is that we actually saw Surtur effortlessly gather the galactic core in order to forge his sword. Odin later comments that it was more than just the galactic core that Surtur ultimately destroyed-- it was the galaxy itself.

Additionally, Odin possesses a much higher level of 'all-knowingness' than Peter... So that is a horrendous analogy.

In the end, it really doesn't matter if it was a galactic core or the entire galaxy. That part of the discussion has very little to do with the argument at hand.

If you haven't noticed, Asgardians are prone to hyperbole. Remember how Odin reacted to the Serpent? How did that actually flesh out? It almost seems that hyperbole is in the nature of the "Gods" with their grandiose speech and all.................
Basically, Odin is consistently a liar

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Originally posted by Galan007
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Is Hulk's strength limitless?

Originally posted by Galan007
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Is the Invincible Iron Man truly invincible?

Originally posted by Galan007
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Nice trolling.

Again, though, you're using horrendous 'analogies'.

Originally posted by Galan007
Nice trolling.

Again, though, you're using horrendous 'analogies'.

Is it possible that he may be able to outmuscle Surtur or Galactus?

Originally posted by Galan007
Nice trolling.

Again, though, you're using horrendous 'analogies'.

Like how you edited out what you wrote. You originally wrote regarding the Hulk "Possibly, I haven't seen and strength cap"

Sneaky move

Yeah, I originally answered your question, but then I saw that you were just trolling, so I edited. 👆

Originally posted by Galan007
Huh?

so now you're denying that you wrote that? Can a mod check up on this?

Mods, where are you?

You just edited out you huh? response but I caught you

You're not even a fun troll... Deliberately changing my posts and all.

It's fun watching retards play, though, so please, continue. 👆

Originally posted by Galan007
You're not even a fun troll... Deliberately changing my posts and all.

It's fun watching retards play, though, so please, continue. 👆

I'm sure the mods can check and see that it was you changing your posts in an attempt to make me look like a liar and desperate. I hope one of them looks into this and exposes the truth. I'm not going to play this game with you. The truth will expose the level of desperation you have reached, which is truly sad, considering we are only discussing fiction.

That was a really good! I almost believed you weren't trolling for a second. 👆

Originally posted by Raisen
Why should we take the galaxy wrecking threat at face value? Aren't you the one that says it's feats that matter? His feat has confirmed he destroyed a galactic core, not a galaxy. Yet you want to twist words to conform to your Asgardian and anything Asgardian-related love.
Your Odin argument is faulty A, B, C logic.
Nothing has been confirmed or proven here. The Surtur supporters are basing everything off of speculation and hyperbole.

Why shouldn't we?

Feats take precedence over mere statements, sure, but if those statements being made are from reliable sources, or coincide with character's respective power levels or how they compare in the grand scheme of things, they certainly hold weight. Surtur's actual feat of destroying a galactic core notwithstanding (later confirmed to be a galaxy itself, but let's assume for arguments sake he didn't bust a galaxy), we know Odin has wrecked galaxies (more than once). We know that Surtur is often portrayed as an equal at the least to Odin sans Twilight Sword. We know that Surtur, with the Twilight Sword, is a universal threat. We know that Surtur possesses internal energies to destroy a universe. So yeah, if Surtur is talking shit about destroying a galaxy, I'm inclined to believe he's capable of doing it.

None of this is speculation or hyperbolic and it's all backed up repeatedly by comics. And attempting to throw out the "you're biased for all things Asgardian" card doesn't change that. I like Thor and Thor-related stuff - never said I don't - and I'm quite knowledgeable about the subject, but I don't need to lie to prove a point.

As far as comparing Surtur's claims to destroying a galaxy to the same level as statements such as "invincible Iron Man", "Sentry's million exploding suns", or "Hulk having limitless strength", it's quite obvious to anyone that they aren't in the same league of narrative prose.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Why shouldn't we?

Feats take precedence over mere statements, sure, but if those statements being made are from reliable sources, or coincide with character's respective power levels or how they compare in the grand scheme of things, they certainly hold weight. Surtur's actual feat of destroying a galactic core notwithstanding, we know Odin has wrecked galaxies (more than once). We know that Surtur is often portrayed as an equal at the least to Odin sans Twilight Sword. We know that Surtur, with the Twilight Sword, is a universal threat. We know that Surtur possesses internal energies to destroy a universe. So yeah, if Surtur is talking shit about destroying a galaxy, I'm inclined to believe he's capable of doing it.

None of this is speculation or hyperbolic and it's all backed up repeatedly by comics. And attempting to throw out the "you're biased for all things Asgardian" card doesn't change that. I like Thor and Thor-related stuff - never said I don't - and I'm quite knowledgeable about the subject, but I don't need to lie to prove a point.

As far as comparing Surtur's claims to destroying a galaxy to the same level as statements such as "invincible Iron Man", "Sentry's million exploding suns", or "Hulk having limitless strength", it's quite obvious to anyone that they aren't in the same league of narrative prose.

But they are in the same league of prose when you consider Asgardia has been VERY inconsistent, even moreso than the rest of comicdom. The skyfather tier itself has been debated for years with no resolution. The disparities between Vishnu, Zeus, Odin etc is clear, yet they are considered peers. Asgardians in general speak in poetic hyperbole on a regular basis. The threat of Serpent instantly comes to mind. Bor was confusing also, was it not? The stories of Asgardians have been retold in so many different ways.
When it comes down to it. You can accept the poetry or the feats. I'll accept the on-panel feats in this situation. I also can accept that Asgardians spew hyperbole. They are a warrior clan, and elaborate and embellished stories are how all tribes have told history. Viking mythos, Native mythos, etc. all tell very tall tales for the sake of story and importance.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Why shouldn't we?

Feats take precedence over mere statements, sure, but if those statements being made are from reliable sources, or coincide with character's respective power levels or how they compare in the grand scheme of things, they certainly hold weight. Surtur's actual feat of destroying a galactic core notwithstanding (later confirmed to be a galaxy itself, but let's assume for arguments sake he didn't bust a galaxy), we know Odin has wrecked galaxies (more than once). We know that Surtur is often portrayed as an equal at the least to Odin sans Twilight Sword. We know that Surtur, with the Twilight Sword, is a universal threat. We know that Surtur possesses internal energies to destroy a universe. So yeah, if Surtur is talking shit about destroying a galaxy, I'm inclined to believe he's capable of doing it.

None of this is speculation or hyperbolic and it's all backed up repeatedly by comics. And attempting to throw out the "you're biased for all things Asgardian" card doesn't change that. I like Thor and Thor-related stuff - never said I don't - and I'm quite knowledgeable about the subject, but I don't need to lie to prove a point.

As far as comparing Surtur's claims to destroying a galaxy to the same level as statements such as "invincible Iron Man", "Sentry's million exploding suns", or [B]"Hulk having limitless strength", it's quite obvious to anyone that they aren't in the same league of narrative prose. [/B]

How so? If anything, there are more circumstances displaying Hulk amping and not having a cap. We should only take Odin's word for it but dismiss 70 years of various heroes and scientists explicitly stating that the Hulk has limitless strength?