Originally posted by Newjak
Except according to story narrative that prevented Hope from getting the Phoenix which at the time she couldn't handle and would have destroyed Earth.Cap dumped Wolverine because of what Logan had planned for Hope. Cap literally dumped him out of a plane.
And much like you keep neglecting to bring up is that Cyclops' original plan of doing nothing would have ended with the world being destroyed as Hope couldn't control the Phoenix without her companions at the time.
There have been times the X-Men were powerless against the Phoenix as well.
Scott was chastised because he wasn't doing anything. All everyone knew was that a giant flaming bird was rampaging through the universe destroying planet after planet. It was a clear and present danger to many people.
Simply acting act what Cap did was wrong doesn't make it wrong. Billions of lives were at stake on Scott's gamble (which has been said a many times before would have failed had no one intervened)
It was never the fact that Hope was completely dangerous and Cap had to have her near him for safety it was always the fact that Scott basically was allowing a possible global catastrophic event to happen.
Wolverine still actively worked as part of the Avengers even after that scene.
Hardly. Rachel Grey never went psycho all the while she possessed the PF, and Jean wouldn't have to were it not for the Hellfire Club's stupidity. The Phoenix has a history of never intentionally corrupting its chosen host and Hope was, by all accounts, its chosen host.
Of course, just as the Fantastic Four would be powerless before Galactus or the Avengers would be powerless Chthon or the Serpent. These are nigh-omnipotent characters that these teams go up against, so their chances of always triumphing aren't really that good.
Scott has already witnessed first the destruction of billions of lives on an alien planet when the Dark Phoenix was first unleashed, so he's in a better position to judge whether or not the Phoenix comes for destruction or rebirth. As it so happened, despite all the destruction that it caused its way to Earth, the Phoenix was coming for rebirth.
It doesn't matter whether the writers intended her to be that dangerous or not, the Avengers clearly considered her to be so, with Black Panther chastising Scott for secretly harboring a potential planet-killing mutant, and Wolverine attempting to murder her before she even acquired the Phoenix power.
Originally posted by KingD19
It had the potential to be a positive one. With Rachel guiding her, Hope could have taken on the Phoenix and used it to jumpstart the X-Gene in humanity again, just like she did with Wanda...even though Wanda and the K'un L'un training didn't make sense at all. And with it, the Phoenix 5 were turning the world into a much better place. It wasn't a "bad" thing for Jean either. Only when she was manipulated into becoming Dark Phoenix, and the Phoenix 5 only started going bad after they were constantly attacked by the Avengers.(Except Namor...Namor was a colossal dick)And things would have gone much smoother if Cap didn't bring the entire Avengers with him to basically kidnap Hope.
The stakes were too high.
If Scott was right, the mutant race gets a reboot.
If he was wrong, everyone dies.
Come to think of it, even if Cap successfully kidnapped Hope and they couldn't keep her from the PF, everyone dies..
I hate to say it, but pragmatically, Logan probably had the right idea.. 😘
Originally posted by -Pr-Okay.......lol Cyclops is my favorite X-Men(Before Gambit was introduced),He was also my favorite character too(before I read Hulk comics)
Cyclops has been my favourite character since I was old enough to read comics. We're talking almost a quarter of a century.Marvel just ****ing ruined him these last few years.
Originally posted by -Pr-
When I was growing up (and this is the late 80s) my favourite characters were Cyclops, Colossus, Thor, Hulk and Dr. Doom.
Didn't ride the Wolverine bandwagon, even a little bit?
I'll cop, I did. ^_^;;
I liked Cyke and Colossus a bit more, though.
And in general, Hulk was the man. Thor, I didn't even really discover until much later, as I was more into collecting Superman, Transformers, and Archie comics at the time..
Originally posted by cdtm
Didn't ride the Wolverine bandwagon, even a little bit?I'll cop, I did. ^_^;;
I liked Cyke and Colossus a lot more.
But tbh, I was collecting more Transformers comics then anything.
Cyclops was my favourite character from the start, and given the natural rivalry between them, I had to pick sides.
I used to actively dislike Wolverine. That's morphed over the years in to a sense of just not caring anymore.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Cyclops was my favourite character from the start, and given the natural rivalry between them, I had to pick sides.I used to actively dislike Wolverine. That's morphed over the years in to a sense of just not caring anymore.
So, it was mainly because Cyke and Logan were rivals?
Not because of the fanboyism that was all over the place even before the internet as we know it, or Logan being in virtually every comic, or how the writers always pandered to the fans by making him so awesome...? ^_^;
(I still maintain I liked him, but I can see a "lot" of reasons to hate, or at least dislike, him..)
I mean, if they were never rivals, would that have changed your opinion of him?
Originally posted by cdtm
So, it was mainly because Cyke and Logan were rivals?Not because of the fanboyism that was all over the place even before the internet as we know it, or Logan being in virtually every comic, or how the writers always pandered to the fans by making him so awesome...? ^_^;
(I still maintain I liked him, but I can see a "lot" of reasons to hate, or at least dislike, him..)
I mean, if they were never rivals, would that have changed your opinion of him?
Probably not. Even as a kid, I tended to be more interested in the characters that were the leaders of their groups. Lion-O, Bravestarr, Cyclops, Leonardo, Captain America etc as opposed to the "cool" members of the groups.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Probably not. Even as a kid, I tended to be more interested in the characters that were the leaders of their groups. Lion-O, Bravestarr, Cyclops, Leonardo, Captain America etc as opposed to the "cool" members of the groups.
Not a fan of the "That guy". 🙂
Originally posted by -Pr-I liked the cool looking characters myself.
When I was growing up (and this is the late 80s) my favourite characters were Cyclops, Colossus, Thor, Hulk and Dr. Doom.
Colossus, Omega Red, Juggernaut, Apocalypse, Venom, Carnage, Thanos, and Surfer.
Oh Marvel cartoons, how I miss how good you were.
I also even liked first form Onslaught...
Originally posted by cdtmI didn't like a lot of heroes as a kid, but I liked the way Surfer looked.
Surfers cool looking?Marvel did have some of the best designs. Juggernaut's a favorite, and he could look downright scary, with his hands drawn the size of some mutants bodies..
I still really like MvC's rendition of Juggernaut.
Originally posted by cdtmdamn straight he did, the phoenix arrival was unavoidable. even if he could go through with it, which he couldn't, the force might have simply ressurected hope.
I hate to say it, but pragmatically, Logan probably had the right idea.. 😘
if IM had fired his silly space gun at the phoenix with no x-men around, who knows who it would have bonded to. it would probably just take over a hand full of avengers and ultimately produce similar results.