A choice between Captain America or Professor X

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Because he's had to.

And this is all the explanation needed.

With respect to your efforts, I've found arguing about war or the duties of a solider/citizen are about as constructive as arguing about religion. While I can respect arguments against a corrupt authority (Our slaughter of the Native Americans being one example), one either believes in respect for authority and the basic concept that, at the most basic level, one is obligated to serve their nation, leaving the morality to scholars and historians to sort out, or they don't.

It's an argument that belongs in politics, not here on Vs (In my respectful opinion, and not intended as a backseat mod statement. ^_^; )

I will say, killing does not = murder by default. Not any more then two boxers going at it = assault and battery...

Murder is "the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought ".

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/murder

Who exactly has Cap murdered?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Murder is "the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought ".

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/murder

Who exactly has Cap murdered?

Originally posted by curryman
He's a murderer.

He's battled for peace and justice while killing other soldiers. So much for the peace right?

Originally posted by curryman
Why did he have to?

No one forced him to go into war.

And the America he worshiped when he became Captain America? lmfao.

Ignoring the fact he just called a "lot" of people filthy murderers, many in my family included:

Killing other soldiers in war isn't murder.

Originally posted by cdtm
Killing other soldiers in war isn't murder.

Why not? Or are we saying that every kill while deployed counts as self-defence?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Why not? Or are we saying that every kill while deployed counts as self-defence?

So Cap slaughtered unarmed POW's?

Murder implies we're not talking about what normally happens in war: Soldiers killing other soldiers, that in turn are trying to kill you. Far as I know, Cap never targeted civilians or soldiers that already surrendered.

Originally posted by cdtm
So Cap slaughtered unarmed POW's?

Murder implies we're not talking about what normally happens in war: Soldiers killing other soldiers, that in turn are trying to kill you. Far as I know, Cap never wiped out civilians or soldiers that already surrendered.

I wasn't talking about POWs.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I wasn't talking about POWs.

Then what?

Who did he kill, that could be interpreted as murder (A war crime, basically.)

Originally posted by cdtm
Ignoring the fact he just called a "lot" of people filthy murderers, many in my family included:

Killing other soldiers in war isn't murder.

Cap has murdered people, but he is a soldier and most of it was WWII so it falls into the commonly accepted idea that it's 'okay'
Being a murderer, killing for your beliefs or to protect people or whatever doesn't nullify a persons capacity for peace or want/need of said peace. If anything depending on the person and if they were traumatized or not it can be argued that a person (soldier or not) who has suffered from war and had to kill to survive (as civilian or solder) have a deeper understanding for the necessity of peace. Not saying it makes him a better diplomat but still.

Originally posted by SevenShackles
(not all of this is aimed at cdtm)
I have plenty of friends and family in the military and they all say it's murder. No matter what. When one of their friends are shot dead it's murder.. When they shoot back and kill the enemy it's murder. Heck even killing in self defense is murder. The guy is dead. You killed him. Murder. It's all just murder. When my cousin runs down kids with his big ol military vehicle because they are used by the enemy, it's murder. When someone else doesn't hit the kid and that person ends up crashing/blown up and his friends are slowly gunned down.. It's murder. All. Murder. Not being judgmental btw.

Cap has murdered people, but he is a soldier and most of it was WWII so it falls into the commonly accepted idea that it's 'okay'
Being a murderer, killing for your beliefs or to protect people or whatever doesn't nullify a persons capacity for peace or want/need of said peace. If anything depending on the person and if they were traumatized or not it can be argued that a person (soldier or not) who has suffered from war and had to kill to survive (as civilian or solder) have a deeper understanding for the necessity of peace. Not saying it makes him a better diplomat but still.

I like this explanation.

My main thing, is curryman looking down his nose as Cap, as if he was some sort of monster, because he killed in wartime..

Speaking as someone that served in the military and who has family currently serving.

There is a rather large difference between killing and murder.

Captain America. I'm sorry but Charles can sometimes be written as a creepy mind rapist.

Originally posted by SamZED
Prof X obviously. He's a great dyplomat. So is Steve but unlike Xavier he's also a symbol and thats the problem. He cant represent Earth. Don't take it the wrong way but America isn't exactly everyone's favorite country, so a guy with American symbol on his chest teaching everyone how to live and what to do will not be appreciated by many.

No offense, but you're silly if you think Captain America can't represent Earth because he's a symbol for America. Everyone respects Captain America bro. It might as well be PIS.

"On Olympus, we measure wisdom against Athena...speed against Hermes...power against Zeus. But we measure courage...against Captain America."

Originally posted by TheHulk
If Earth had to choose a official diplomat for life,and he must be top notch at peace making and arguing for diplomacy. Who would it be between Captain America or Professor X.

A major symbol? or a bald wise man? Which is better?

Originally posted by cdtm
Then what?

Who did he kill, that could be interpreted as murder (A war crime, basically.)

I'm talking about enemy combatants. Enemy soldiers. Nazis.

When cap killed them during the war, what do we classify it as? Soldiercide?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
No offense, but you're silly if you think Captain America can't represent Earth because he's a symbol for America. Everyone respects Captain America bro. It might as well be PIS.

"On Olympus, we measure wisdom against Athena...speed against Hermes...power against Zeus. But we measure courage...against Captain America."

Are we looking to send the most courageous man as a diplomat?

I see no point in this.

Originally posted by cdtm
one either believes in respect for authority and the basic concept that, at the most basic level, one is obligated to serve their nation, leaving the morality to scholars and historians to sort out, or they don't.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
No offense, but you're silly if you think Captain America can't represent Earth because he's a symbol for America. Everyone respects Captain America bro. It might as well be PIS.

"On Olympus, we measure wisdom against Athena...speed against Hermes...power against Zeus. But we measure courage...against Captain America."

In fact, isn't it now not a legal defence to say "I was only following orders"?

it very well should be

Originally posted by 753
it very well should be

In the American military, I've heard that it's an actual rule now.