Who is more powerful, Odin or Mordu?

Started by abhilegend16 pages

Originally posted by leonidas
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where does it say "odin later absorbed infinity back"?? it EXPLICITLY states [b]odin drives infinity off.

"Odin drives Infinity off and reclaimed his powers". As you have accepted that Infinity was all the power of Infinity Odin had absorbed, Odin absorbed the power back, huh?

and 😂 sure abhi, so odin on his own used his power to repair all the damaged planets. of course he did so while in asgard, and repaired all the damage in 616 while freeing everyone who had been enslaved as well.

but your concession is accepted. infinity was withdrawn, odin battled infinity with his own weakened power across multiple books and repaired all the damage done with his own power, from a different dimension. glad we finally agree. 👆 [/B]

Odin was never weakened because Infinity was all the power he has absorbed from Infinity (abstract) and he absorbed it back.

This is just terrible.

Originally posted by beatboks
I post a scan and

Consession accepted

And I accept your concession that the power up was never drained from him.

I post another scan and

But I thought he only possessed Hectors body?
Another concession?
Do I really have to post the scan from issue 50 of JSA where Hector states he "felt what Mordru did with his power"?

Sure do, when Mordru was inside the body of Arion and freeing the Soul of Arion would've disrupted Mordru's power.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-CcxwIaghB6I/VxWTUpOhZOI/AAAAAAAAJ-4/EwHBObaxUy8hplCspL8j6JS5zmnt1cX5QCCo/s1600-Ic42/RCO014.jpg

Not Mordru+Arion power mind you.

Also funny how Mordru used Hector's power from Arion's body. Only you can play mental gymnastics like that.

So please explain why he later needed to absorb more power to battle and do as well against rhe JSA as he did in that story?

Different writers, different power levels. Later a weakened Mordru got the upper hand on Nabu himself who was fighting an amped Spectre evenly.

A little history
In issues 1-4 of of JSA Mordru after having killed lords of order and Chaos (that you claimed he didnt and had to backpeddle on) casually stomped the JSA. Dealing with them like the snap of a finger. A simple spell was all it took to bring Alan Scot down

Then in issues 46- 51he needed the aid of Obsidian, and Eclipso as well as to take Fates Vestments to be able to operate on the same level he did in issues 1-4. Suddenly he couldnt stomp this team casually. If he still had the power hebhad in issues 1-4 as a permanent power up as you say WHY?

Right, because suddenly a weakened Mordru overpowered Nabu himself.

Originally posted by Philosophía
[B]👆

For starters, we have on-panel Mordru owning a 5D being:

We have Mordru on-panel no-selling Shazam inside the Rock of Eternity:

The same Shazam who later had a very close fight with Spectre:

----

And no sold an amped Shazam when Shazam gave Spectre a hell of a fight.

Let me guess, Weakened Mordru>>>Amped Mordru?

in the later series of Justice Society Alan was able to give him a lengthy battle alone.

Where Mordru created seven dimensions casually?

That's what you use to lowball Mordru? Seriously?

The fact that he has later appearances at power levels below what he exhibited at the point he "absorbed this power" is a pretty clear indicator that these power ups weren't permanent. [/B]

So in other words weakened Mordru is more powerful than amped up Mordru?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Anyway, here are the best of Mordru. Far better average than Odin despite appearing in 1/10th issues as Odin does.

Destroys and drains Infinite Man along with Glorith. Its better than anything Odin has ever done. The power was explicitly enough to make Mordru one with EVERYTHING in space and time at once.

https://postimg.cc/gallery/33qiz1v4q/

Then starts a spell which was warping entire universe. The spell gets broken due to resistance from Mysa but even the broken spell makes the dead rise across the galaxy.
https://s6.postimg.cc/l0xz2ivsh/LSH44-09.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/gmfuftpip/LSH44-10.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/f8o7kiq9d/LSH44-11.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/lmickw1gx/LSH46-01.jpg

Using Mordru spell and far less than his own power, his disciples cover entire universe in darkness to drain it of its magic.

Mordru had also absorbed every bit of magic in Legion universe.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mH3AQZmWS5k/VjOaWUFcJJI/AAAAAAARvoU/b3GvdBi6K_k/s1600/24_07.jpg

And he further absorbed Earth 247 magic as well. Yet one spell from Mordru allowed Mysa to drain the entire power inside her.

https://postimg.cc/gallery/24ipsladg/

And how powerful is Legion universe magic? When Arch Mage was getting free in Magic Wars, his mere presence made scientific rules to go haywire across the universe.

https://postimg.cc/gallery/huvthd50/

And these are just from hundred odd appearances of Mordru excluding his Earh 247 and threeboot appearances.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/mordru/4005-4904/

While Odin has 1000+ appearances and yet not one true universal showing in his name.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/odin/4005-3507/

Yet, a few of Odins galactic level feats are supposed to be average but Mordru's feats are not his average.

Funny how that works.

some of these LOOK legit but with the way you twist things and leave out context i need to check them out at some point.

as far as the glorith scans go:

https://imgur.com/a/hFtinxn

they talked about summoning infinite forth a while before they did so they were obviously ready for him and had a plan for his power. before mordru ever drained him glorith had to save him, and he's had his mind read more than once from what i've seen. if he can't see through a simple illusion and freezes so completely at the thought of burial--lol--i'm still not sure how i'm supposed to look at those scans and be overly impressed. even when he had ALL the power, he collapsed because of his fear! lol it's also impossible to read the whole arc and not see the entire thing as a shared feat since glorith was with him the whole time and she even claimed half the power--before she got punched out after she was briefly distracted (sound familiar....)

it feels like you're taking different versions of mordru and lumping them together. his history is ludicrously complicated.

incidentally, what exactly are infinte man's feats that make absorbing his powers so great.....? dormammu absorbed eternity and at least eternity has feats, sh!tty as some of them are. /shrug

Originally posted by leonidas
you are impossible. loki LITERALLY says--the void BETWEEN REALMS. as in--a place...NOT PART OF THE REALMS!! you know, the realms connected to the tree. wtf is sooooooooo hard for you to understand??! the narration and...everything else supports the fact that heven, it's own universe:

https://imgur.com/a/0L58M6K

Haha, what? Loki straight up found it on the map of Yggdrasil.

but no, it's just a city, right? like people used to think asgard was just a city, with no space or anything. heven made planet destroying weapons (using odin's curse) because their whole universe consists of a city. 👆

off-panel feat, no context, meaningless. glad you agree. 👆

Later, he recalled the same.

I mean this is kindergarten level stuff, you're simply blinded by your fanboyism.

yeah, fully formed universe, torn from the tree AND hidden away.

keep writing your fan-fic though and highlighting how you build narratives to fit your lowballing.

😂

This is just priceless. I just showed you entirety of Old Asgard was a floating island.

http://postimg.cc/image/oqlwdas7p/
http://postimg.cc/image/dsamv43md/
http://postimg.cc/image/7343f3iad/

Here is from latest bio, Thor Asgard's Avenger.

But Asgard is a universe, eh?

you showed me jack sh!t. the book is crystal clear--he had his coven, he had that guy on the transmuters world help him, he had the saints, he had.....f***** CONTINGENCY PLANS FOR WHEN HIS PLANS WERE STOPPED! how the F*** can he have contingency plans in place and you still say he didn't need prep??

Because as soon as he was koed, the spell was finished.

I'm posting full images because you are literally incapable of reading anything now it seems.

you are truly staggering in your blindness and inability to understand the nature of what is happening. you're so concerned with glomming on to any thing that looks like a feat you completely ignore the wider context of what is being shown.

Ha, you've been wrong about pretty much everything here and you're lecturing me?

bwhahah! i called it! now dev is a universal--multiversal?? power too! you're nothing if not predictable.

Right, there is simple handwriting.

i actually DO care. the forum has been said--repeatedly--to be dc heavy nowadays, filled with dc fanboys. i happen to like dc better than current marvel overall, but you make it hard to like it, or defend it with your blatant over-the-top fanboyism for everything dc and your constant lowballing of everything marvel.

Ha, as if.

anyway, i'm done talking about that heven feat. people can decide on their own based on what they see. it's clear no matter how much concrete evidence you're shown you'll never change your mind because of what it would imply for a marvel character. rock yourself to sleep with your invented story. 👆 meanwhile....

[b]galan, pr, bada--can we consider the fact that odin tore heven from the tree, hid it away then powered it with his curse for....however long it was hidden, a forum acceptable feat? [/B]

You're stopping because you're wrong. Full stop. Heven is a universe, eh?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
ummmmm........ don't want to join the debate,but mordru took was arion body from the start,he didn't take hector,just imprisoned him.And "felt what Mordru did with his power"part,his next sentence is "i can sense your inhibitions within the amulet.you call me weak and yet you are the coward"and this is related to JSA 48 hector weakened by his obsession and regret to his wife death(and BTW,you said the wrong issue,hector said those words is from 51)been used by mordru,and mordru killed and absorbed was agents,not lords
Also i must say,separate a character purposes and ignoring JSA growing members is not a decent method for debating. mordru first against JSA in this story arc still casually put down JJSA most powerful team(alan+thunderbolt),and he just don't care about and ignore JSA members since his prupose was to rule universe,and JSA most threaten him opponents has been dealed with(alan,hector,thunderbolt)and later is all global heroes join this fight,so you can't say mordru faced jsa is the same jsa from JSA first issues.

Might I suggest separating text a little that's really hard to read. I've read thru it a few times but am having trouble working out what you want to say.

From what I have worked out.

1. I never said he has possessed Hector, abhi said that when in fact he took Fates vestments from him. Rhatnks for the support though.

2. Abhi also said he didnt get any power from the vestments but Hectors coments shoot that down. I thought it was a statement from almost the end of the story hence why I picked 50 out of a story that went from 46 -51. Dont see how the issue number changes the fact that it proves he took the power of Fate since Hector said it. I was wrong though as were you, it was issue 51

3.Lords of Order and Chaos have been referred to as Agents many times before. Arion and Shazam for example have been called both.

4.Mordru did better vs a corordinated team multi pronged attack after absorbing this power in JSA 1-4, yet needed help and further amping in the latter story and still only took them on separately. Then again in Justice Societt he sent JSA Nobidies (Jessie Quick etc) away to other dimensions and still had a hard time vs Alan alone. The same Alan he defeared as an afterthought and a single panel in the earlier story. So yeah not much of a permanent upgrade.

Originally posted by leonidas

incidentally, what exactly are infinte man's feats that make absorbing his powers so great.....? dormammu absorbed eternity and at least eternity has feats, sh!tty as some of them are. /shrug

Infinite man doesnt have a lot of feats. He's stated to be the embodiment of all time and space and Brainiac 5 adter scannin Mordru and Glorith said they had the power to destroy the universe. Its all down to two statements

Originally posted by abhilegend
And I accept your concession that the power up was never drained from him.

Sure do, when Mordru was inside the body of Arion and freeing the Soul of Arion would've disrupted Mordru's power.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-CcxwIaghB6I/VxWTUpOhZOI/AAAAAAAAJ-4/EwHBObaxUy8hplCspL8j6JS5zmnt1cX5QCCo/s1600-Ic42/RCO014.jpg

Not Mordru+Arion power mind you.

Also funny how Mordru used Hector's power from Arion's body. Only you can play mental gymnastics like that.

Different writers, different power levels. Later a weakened Mordru got the upper hand on Nabu himself who was fighting an amped Spectre evenly.

Right, because suddenly a weakened Mordru overpowered Nabu himself.

And no sold an amped Shazam when Shazam gave Spectre a hell of a fight.

Let me guess, Weakened Mordru>>>Amped Mordru?

Where Mordru created seven dimensions casually?

That's what you use to lowball Mordru? Seriously?

So in other words weakened Mordru is more powerful than amped up Mordru?

Wow now yoi cant even keep straight what bs your spouting. You were the one who said he possessed Hector when I said he didnt.

Hecters power comes from three artifacts. A cloak a helm and an amulet. Three artifacts that Mordru in Arions body was in possession of. Only one doing mental gymnastics is you tryingnto keep track of your lies and failing to do so.

I've never once stated Arion amped Mordru. Arion is quite a ways down the food chain where DCU Mystics are concerned. He'd be lucky to be above Sargon or Dr Occult. Certainly below Zatanna and massively below Mordru.

Id also like to see the on panel evidence that Mordru created ANY dimension in Justice Society story. Cause honestly BFRing has been done by a powerless Arion when his energy was spent.

Originally posted by leonidas
i love that you continuously confuse lowballing with context.

Like lowballing Mordru as if Odin tosses stars like nothing, eh?

lol and remind me what a minor enchantment from odin on an axe did again....?

Holy moving the goalposts Batman!

dealt with and your concession was gracefully accepted. 👆

hysterical

Oh you.

i'm BEGGING you to call a mod regarding this feat. mordru is a known planner, schemer and has his own coven. but this OFF PANEL feat is supposed to be acceptable? lol PLEASE call a mod to rule on the viability of the feat.

Haha, What the ****? Here is Mordru showing up against JSA in the previous issue once Kent was koed.

That's literally just before he created the dimensions. But he had invisible covens, immeasurable prep and whatever you can do to discredit it, eh?

Hello carver, we missed you.

he had prepared CONTINGENCY plans! 😂 when he spell for the white out was broken, what does he say:

https://imgur.com/a/182s5Qf

I WAS PREPARED FOR THIS EVENTUALITY!

how f****** deluded ARE you? how desperate for any feat can one person really be??

Haha, seriously? He casted the spell by himself in the very next page.

That's why only beating Mordru was the option to stop the spell.

All the coven did was light some candle.

😂

you.....can NOT be this stupid. i refuse to believe it and have to chalk it up to pure trolling.

we literally SEE, in the scan following yours that you....oddly don't show--thor and loki EXITING the 616 universe/midgard and going through a portal to heven.

https://imgur.com/a/NFcKhKu

Yes, because Heven was sealed in a force field you imbecile. That's what a door in a force field means.

Like literally said in the recap page.

"He recruits Loki to help him break through the barrier separating tenth realm from other realms".

again, i'm done with your blatant lies. i've asked the mods to rule on the feat. i'll let them decide to live with whatever they say. this is clearly beyond you, as so much is.

I've been posting proof after proof which you ignore as usual and I'm lying here?

hysterical

Originally posted by abhilegend
Haha, what? Loki straight up found it on the map of Yggdrasil.

the map had it 'x' out. 😐

are you phuking retarded? i'm going to need to channel my inner phil soon to start coming up with names and words for you that fit better....

how anyone can think heven wasn't removed from the tree is staggering.

off-panel feat, no context, meaningless. glad you agree. 👆

Later, he recalled the same.

I mean this is kindergarten level stuff, you're simply blinded by your fanboyism.

so....loki was able to recall it--context, naturally--but that means it wasn't removed from the tree? yeah makes sense champ. 👆

Here is from latest bio, Thor Asgard's Avenger.

But Asgard is a universe, eh?

well, on panel proof says it is and the bio you just posted says something similar: asgard is a small planetary body in the like named asgard DIMENSION!!

but the whole thing is meaningless because on-panel>bio as of course you know but are willingly to try and get away with anyway.

but quasar!!11! 😂 i can hear your panties bunch from here. a has been said a 100 times--nothing in that quasar book contradicts the recent handbook.

THIS entry really doesn't either, aside from calling asgard a dimension rather than a fully realized universe--which, again, is ON PANEL but which you simply handwave away as per the norm. don't worry bro, we expect nothing else. it's actually impressive watching you invent stories to fit your lowball narrative. to go to the lengths you've gone to, to twist and ignore and lie like you have to lowball a single character speaks to some true dementia. it's impressive, if a little disturbing.....

Because as soon as he was koed, the spell was finished.

I'm posting full images because you are literally incapable of reading anything now it seems.

and as soon as the avalanche fell the spell was broken as well. this shouldn't be that hard. it's a cool feat that required prep and help. it's clear to anyone who can read. why you insist on making more of this than there is is beyond me. no, wait, it's all in an effort to make one character look good and the other bad.

😂

you really are unreal....

You're stopping because you're wrong. Full stop. Heven is a universe, eh? [/B]

well, it is if you believe the black and white, on panel proof. /shrug if you lie, deny, and handwave proof away, well, i guess not.

Originally posted by leonidas
some of these LOOK legit but with the way you twist things and leave out context i need to check them out at some point.

as far as the glorith scans go:

https://imgur.com/a/hFtinxn

they talked about summoning infinite forth a while before they did so they were obviously ready for him and had a plan for his power. before mordru ever drained him glorith had to save him, and he's had his mind read more than once from what i've seen. if he can't see through a simple illusion and freezes so completely at the thought of burial--lol--i'm still not sure how i'm supposed to look at those scans and be overly impressed. even when he had ALL the power, he collapsed because of his fear! lol it's also impossible to read the whole arc and not see the entire thing as a shared feat since glorith was with him the whole time and she even claimed half the power--before she got punched out after she was briefly distracted (sound familiar....)

it feels like you're taking different versions of mordru and lumping them together. his history is ludicrously complicated.

incidentally, what exactly are infinte man's feats that make absorbing his powers so great.....? dormammu absorbed eternity and at least eternity has feats, sh!tty as some of them are. /shrug


crylaugh

The depths to which you're sinking is pitiful. Now its Infinite Man who you're lowballing and using Mordru's psychological fear of being trapped underground is used for lowballing.

Guess God Doom was not that powerful because he was unable to fix his scars.

Read this scan and tell us how powerful you think Infinite Man is.

Mordru became everything in space and time. Hardly Odin level, eh?

Originally posted by beatboks
Might I suggest separating text a little that's really hard to read. I've read thru it a few times but am having trouble working out what you want to say.

From what I have worked out.

1. I never said he has possessed Hector, abhi said that when in fact he took Fates vestments from him. Rhatnks for the support though.

2. Abhi also said he didnt get any power from the vestments but Hectors coments shoot that down. I thought it was a statement from almost the end of the story hence why I picked 50 out of a story that went from 46 -51. Dont see how the issue number changes the fact that it proves he took the power of Fate since Hector said it. I was wrong though as were you, it was issue 51

3.Lords of Order and Chaos have been referred to as Agents many times before. Arion and Shazam for example have been called both.

4.Mordru did better vs a corordinated team multi pronged attack after absorbing this power in JSA 1-4, yet needed help and further amping in the latter story and still only took them on separately. Then again in Justice Societt he sent JSA Nobidies (Jessie Quick etc) away to other dimensions and still had a hard time vs Alan alone. The same Alan he defeared as an afterthought and a single panel in the earlier story. So yeah not much of a permanent upgrade.


Actually you catched my point.I want to talk about was exactly you said four poitn
And i will trying to separating my text to make my words easy to reading
1Oh,sorry about that.Anyway I just want to say mordru didn't possession hector's body.But he neither have fate's vestments power.since hector still wearing vestments,and could channeling its power
2Hector's words didn't counter mordru,like i said this sentence was related to it's previous issue:mordru uses his mental weakness weakened hector,and freed him.And from your scan later few pages,states mordru is energy constantly inhabitanting one host to another host,and now he is inhabiting arion's body.So he didn't inhabiting fate's vestments which mean he didn't have it's power
3Yeah,but from the first issue,he killed Kid Eternity and he doesn't is a lords IIRC.So we couldn't say he killed lords since comics just said agents.
though this just my nitpicking hobby.this you actually could don't take it seriously
4But first,no indicate said mordru need take them separate to defeat them,when alan sneak attack him,he still managed pull alan star heart out,instantly defeating alan.later,when he off balanced and has been fought thounderbolt,he still have enough power owning include alan jsa
So i didn't see he is weaker than his first issues version

Originally posted by beatboks
Wow now yoi cant even keep straight what bs your spouting. You were the one who said he possessed Hector when I said he didnt.

Hecters power comes from three artifacts. A cloak a helm and an amulet. Three artifacts that Mordru in Arions body was in possession of. Only one doing mental gymnastics is you tryingnto keep track of your lies and failing to do so.

So you don't have any scans which says Mordru used Hector's power, eh?

And neither did you respond to a weakened Mordru overpowering Nabu while the same Nabu fought an amped Spectre evenly.

Good, good.

I've never once stated Arion amped Mordru. Arion is quite a ways down the food chain where DCU Mystics are concerned. He'd be lucky to be above Sargon or Dr Occult. Certainly below Zatanna and massively below Mordru.

So concession accepted?

Id also like to see the on panel evidence that Mordru created ANY dimension in Justice Society story. Cause honestly BFRing has been done by a powerless Arion when his energy was spent.

"Mordru specifically created it as a box".

Originally posted by leonidas
the map had it 'x' out. 😐

are you phuking retarded? i'm going to need to channel my inner phil soon to start coming up with names and words for you that fit better....

how anyone can think heven wasn't removed from the tree is staggering.

This is just exhausting. Here it is again

Like literally said in the recap page.

"He recruits Loki to help him break through the barrier separating tenth realm from other realms".

There was only a barrier between tenth realm and the rest of the realms. Loki found it on Yggdrasil map, it was between realms but still Odin cast it into void because shit, Leo can't read to save his life.

so....loki was able to recall it--context, naturally--but that means it wasn't removed from the tree? yeah makes sense champ.

If it was removed, how the hell only a barrier was separating it from the rest of the realms?

well, on panel proof says it is and the bio you just posted says something similar: asgard is a small planetary body in the like named asgard DIMENSION!!

Yes, which as shown by diagram is slightly bigger than Earth. And has no sun or star. But apparently has full galaxies as a full universe.

The ships were literally at the fringes of Asgard space, just slightly away from city level Asgard. Yet its a full universe. Makes sense.

but the whole thing is meaningless because on-panel>bio as of course you know but are willingly to try and get away with anyway.

but quasar!!11! 😂 i can hear your panties bunch from here. a has been said a 100 times--nothing in that quasar book contradicts the recent handbook.

Why don't you dismiss this then?

Is that from a bio?

THIS entry really doesn't either, aside from calling asgard a dimension rather than a fully realized universe--which, again, is ON PANEL but which you simply handwave away as per the norm. don't worry bro, we expect nothing else. it's actually impressive watching you invent stories to fit your lowball narrative. to go to the lengths you've gone to, to twist and ignore and lie like you have to lowball a single character speaks to some true dementia. it's impressive, if a little disturbing.....

Are you sure you are not dyslexic? There is an actual diagram of Asgard dimension which shows it slightly bigger than Earth.

How did I made any of this up?

and as soon as the avalanche fell the spell was broken as well. this shouldn't be that hard. it's a cool feat that required prep and help. it's clear to anyone who can read. why you insist on making more of this than there is is beyond me. no, wait, it's all in an effort to make one character look good and the other bad.

Wut? Mordru literally casts the spell on panel, it deactivated after he was koed but it's prep and help?

This is just hilarious now.

😂

you really are unreal....

well, it is if you believe the black and white, on panel proof. /shrug if you lie, deny, and handwave proof away, well, i guess not.

Right, let's call Asgard a full universe filled with galaxies, heven too, call Mordru's feats prep and help, lowball Infinite Man, lowball time trapper, ignore comics and all praise ODIN!!!!

Seriously, how did you turn into one of the most shameless posters here? Even carver would stop if caught lying so many times.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Like lowballing Mordru as if Odin tosses stars like nothing, eh?

Holy moving the goalposts Batman!

moving goalposts? do you.....know what that means? 😕

yiou lowballed with the celestial scan. i countered that lowball by saying odin was later shown having an enchantment that let him kill celestials. but that's moving the goalpost?

serious question: are you ok? i know you're under a lot of stress from this. but i'm actually becoming a little concerned about you.

That's literally just before he created the dimensions. But he had invisible covens, immeasurable prep and whatever you can do to discredit it, eh?

not even carver would try and pass off an off-panel feat AS a legit feat so both carv and i are looking down at you shaking our heads.... 😂

and let's not forget how at how his greatest moment of power he was....throwing star level powa!

That's why only beating Mordru was the option to stop the spell.

All the coven did was light some candle.

😂

yep, that's it. and let him spy in what legion was saying. and raised the dead on the transuters world. and he had a contingency prepared for when the 90 hours passed. and when he was forced to take control he used his brazier and was quickly becoming exhausted..... it's literally all there for anyone who wants to read it. it's a really terrible story though so i don't blame anyone for not. 👆

Yes, because Heven was sealed in a force field you imbecile. That's what a door in a force field means.

"He recruits Loki to help him break through the barrier separating tenth realm from other realms".
[/B]

there are barriers everywhere you f****** tw@t. 😂

barriers separate worlds. there is a barrier between 616 and the negative zone! but that's a forcefield too?? wtf do you THINK would separate heven from the tree if NOT a barrier???? so every barrier=force field??

you actually make me long for quan. at least he was a fun troll. you've become unhinged, clearly.

you have lost track of....everything. but just to keep track:

abhi's takes:

odin tapped infinity. the power was withdrawn but he kept part of it. odin battled the infinity power with infinity's power, beat it and repaired the universe with infinity's power.

asgard isn't a universe.

a door or barrier=a force field.

a spell that hid old asgard is the same as the one that tore heven free, hid it, and let them power planet destroying weapons for thousands of years.

and mordru had no help when he raised the dead and no help with glorith.

infinite man has loads of feats and the narration in a fight is now a great feat.

reality:

odin had the infinity power withdrawn from him. he battled it on his own for multiple issues. with thor's help he was prevented from merging with it then drove it off and repaired all the damage done to the universe on his own.

heven was torn from the tree (by someone...? further info needed) and hidden away. the curse that split it from the tree powered the dimension/realm/universe of heven to the extent they could make planet destroying weapons.

asgard and the other realms on the tree are on panel stated to be a fully formed universes.

the spell that hid old asgard....hid and shielded old asgard. 😐

a barrier is a barrier and a door is a door. they both lead to someplace else. 😐

mordru had loads of help and prep to raise the dead.

infinite man has, quite literally, no feats--other than getting drained by mordru. see how that works....?

narration=/=reliable proof, especially when no feats support it

otherwise odin would be omnipotent, as has been said many times in naration.

every single one of the above points can be seen in their entirety over the last couple pages, and i would URGE readers to look at them and judge for yourself.

anyway, i'm done talking to you abhi. you're literally the worst type of troll. a spiteful, lying one who won't admit to mistakes no matter how clearly they are illustrated. instead you only twist and continue to spout lie after lie to spread misinformation. you're constant lowballing and ignoring of forum rules has made debate with you impossible. i'll report this thread to the mods and have them review it and they can do what they want with you. i'll also take a look at the mordru scans and entertain a discussion about them with someone who won't lie.

feel free to reply to this, but i'm putting you on ignore again, as i'd recommend everyone do. yur lies have been dismissed and you're simply not worth my time or effort any longer.

Stupid network,always so slow
Anyway,there is my scans
https://i.imgur.com/ZXowTVC.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/jVEPIsc.jpg
My interpretation is😖ince mordru he was inhabiting within arion's body,and he is actually pure energy,so when fate said mordru inhibitation within his amulet couldn't meaning mordru still in his amulet.Because if so,fate need toss his entire amulet to rock of eternity to imprison mordru.And fate now could fully channeling it's helm and heard nabu's voice
And we related to previous issue.mordru uses his weakness(obsession for his wife death)to freed him,Also restrained hector untill in this story arc hector finally overcome this weakness
https://i.imgur.com/cVuMmOg.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/DNNwzyF.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/NyWnHW6.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ioXWEnU.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/xLfSCSn.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/GpWA2Si.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/aZBfMaB.jpg
So i don't think mordru was been amped since no solid evidences showed it.And mordru actually was faced a more powerful version JSA than the first issues

Originally posted by leonidas
moving goalposts? do you.....know what that means?

Like moving topic from Thor 300 to uncanny avengers?

yiou lowballed with the celestial scan. i countered that lowball by saying odin was later shown having an enchantment that let him kill celestials. but that's moving the goalpost?

Yes, very much so since the spell was specifically kryptonite for celestials and failed to even cut Cho hulk while Thor was trying to kill him.

serious question: are you ok? i know you're under a lot of stress from this. but i'm actually becoming a little concerned about you.

Aka, you've got nothing to say.

not even carver would try and pass off an off-panel feat AS a legit feat so both carv and i are looking down at you shaking our heads....

Because now just casting spells off panel makes it unusable when we see the dimensions on panel.

This is probably the worst lowballing I can remember. Ever.

and let's not forget how at how his greatest moment of power he was....throwing star level powa!

More than Odin, Vishnu and Zeus combined!!!!

yep, that's it. and let him spy in what legion was saying. and raised the dead on the transuters world. and he had a contingency prepared for when the 90 hours passed. and when he was forced to take control he used his brazier and was quickly becoming exhausted..... it's literally all there for anyone who wants to read it. it's a really terrible story though so i don't blame anyone for not.

None of that proves anywhere that Mordru had outside help, he was actually weakened.

But leave it to Leorver9 to lowball it.

there are barriers everywhere you f****** tw@t.

crylaugh

Is that a serious response?

barriers separate worlds. there is a barrier between 616 and the negative zone! but that's a forcefield too?? wtf do you THINK would separate heven from the tree if NOT a barrier???? so every barrier=force field??

I mean this is just an epic meltdown. Now you're saying heven wasn't torn away from Yggdrasil but there was a barrier between it and Yggdrasil and other realms?

Because that's what I'm saying Leorver9. Are you able to understand now?

you actually make me long for quan. at least he was a fun troll. you've become unhinged, clearly.

you have lost track of....everything. but just to keep track:

abhi's takes:

odin tapped infinity. the power was withdrawn but he kept part of it. odin battled the infinity power with infinity's power, beat it and repaired the universe with infinity's power.

asgard isn't a universe.

a door or barrier=a force field.

a spell that hid old asgard is the same as the one that tore heven free, hid it, and let them power planet destroying weapons for thousands of years.

and mordru had no help when he raised the dead and no help with glorith.

infinite man has loads of feats and the narration in a fight is now a great feat.

reality:

odin had the infinity power withdrawn from him. he battled it on his own for multiple issues. with thor's help he was prevented from merging with it then drove it off and repaired all the damage done to the universe on his own.

heven was torn from the tree (by someone...? further info needed) and hidden away. the curse that split it from the tree powered the dimension/realm/universe of heven to the extent they could make planet destroying weapons.

asgard and the other realms on the tree are on panel stated to be a fully formed universes.

the spell that hid old asgard....hid and shielded old asgard. 😐

a barrier is a barrier and a door is a door. they both lead to someplace else. 😐

mordru had loads of help and prep to raise the dead.

infinite man has, quite literally, no feats--other than getting drained by mordru. see how that works....?

narration=/=reliable proof, especially when no feats support it

So, your lies are truth and my stance which are backed by scans are false because you say so.

ermm

This is just delusional now.

otherwise odin would be omnipotent, as has been said many times in naration.

Yep, now that's a thing. How about Mordru and Glorith actually changing entire universe using Infinite Man's power. Let me guess, that's hyperbole too.

every single one of the above points can be seen in their entirety over the last couple pages, and i would URGE readers to look at them and judge for yourself.

Yeah, right. You got caught lying in literally every post and now I'm the one who is lying.

anyway, i'm done talking to you abhi. you're literally the worst type of troll. a spiteful, lying one who won't admit to mistakes no matter how clearly they are illustrated. instead you only twist and continue to spout lie after lie to spread misinformation. you're constant lowballing and ignoring of forum rules has made debate with you impossible. i'll report this thread to the mods and have them review it and they can do what they want with you. i'll also take a look at the mordru scans and entertain a discussion about them with someone who won't lie.

feel free to reply to this, but i'm putting you on ignore again, as i'd recommend everyone do. yur lies have been dismissed and you're simply not worth my time or effort any longer.

This is literally wounded ego talking now. I never took you for this type of poster though.

But yeah, report this to mods and lets see who was lying and trolling repeatedly.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So you don't have any scans which says Mordru used Hector's power, eh?

And neither did you respond to a weakened Mordru overpowering Nabu while the same Nabu fought an amped Spectre evenly.

Good, good.

So concession accepted?

"Mordru specifically created it as a box".

Ive already put up the scan of Hector stating he knew what Mordru had done with his power.

Here it is again

The Nabu that Mordru fought was not the same one that fought spectre. Nice deception.

To have conceeded a point I'd have had ro have stared the opposite i didn't

Wait so that's your evidence? Mordru created a box that was a doorway to other dimensions. He created a neans of BFRing. Nothing in that scan suggests in the slightest he created the dimensions that the box went to.

I didn't read anything but saw some scans of Asgardian dimensions.

The Asgardian Nine Realms were revealed to be separate, fully formed Universes, in Matt Fraction's run. Just a heads up Leo.

lol thanks man. i posted that scan. he countered with a bio that said asgard was just a small planet. of course the same scan also confirmed asgard was also a dimension so.....? 😕

the only other thing i meant to post before i realized it was pointless to continue were picks of "asgard space". i came across a several--one was even captioned as ASGARD SPACE. but yeah, asgard wasn't a full universe. i think celey posted scans showing heven was also more than just a city. lol but you can imagine how well that worked out. at least he now admits that infinity was pulled out of odin by hela. that is something at least. shrug

he did show a scan that got me curious though--it was an angela scan that suggested FREYA not odin, separated heven from asgard. ever seen that?

never mind, it was easy to find:

https://imgur.com/a/S7qh6bY

angela queen of hel. i've never liked what marvel did with angela, but i gotta say that series was a lot of fun. some cool ideas. only time a 616 book crossed over with a 1602 book i think.....

still, no idea why that scan says freyja was responsible for tearing heven off the tree.... 😕

writer error maybe? hard to see that as a retcon, but maybe i guess....