Mace Windu and Darth Tyranus vs Hero of Tython and Emperor Vitiate

Not only was Yoda there to attack Sidious, but Sidious outright warns him that he is about to attack him. To assume Yoda was taken by surprise, is an utterly retarded. We see him put his hand out in an attempt to block it, the novel supports it. There's no reason to argue against it unless you can provide proof, which you obviously can't. It's like me walking up to an enemy and telling them "I'm about to lay you out" and then a 2 seconds later, I punch him in the jaw, and then someone turning around a claiming he was taken by surprise.

I've provided an explanation why Yoda was knocked unconscious the first time, but you're wanting to ignore that explanation in favor of a retarded explanation that contradicts canon.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
We see him put his hand out in an attempt to block it, the novel supports it.

That scene doesn't even happen in the novel.

Originally posted by Nephthys
That scene doesn't even happen in the novel.

It does, there are just detailed contradictions, but nothing that contradicts Yoda attempting to deflect the attack.

You mean like the dialogue being completely different, that it takes place in the senate arena and that Yoda actually deflects the lightning? But yeah, other than that the scene is the same.

Anyone not plagued by severe astigmatism or cataracts should be able to clearly discern Yoda raise his hand in an attempt to deflect the lightning.

One could argue that Yoda was shocked/surprised/panicked/alarmed and did not, for whatever reason, mount a proper defense in time—despite the fact that the Emperor blatantly choreographs the attack and warns Yoda of it.

But it's an outright lie to suggest he didn't react to it and dumb to assert he was trying to high five it.

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I think he raised it in shock. I just did a frame by frame view of the scene and it looks like his palm is facing the side rather than towards the lightning, unlike how it would be if he were going to catch it.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I think he raised it in shock. I just did a frame by frame view of the scene and it looks like his palm is facing the side rather than towards the lightning, unlike how it would be if he were going to catch it.

Of course you would think he'd spontaneously shit himself and raise it in shock. That's the conclusion that bests supports your argument.

And while you're certainly free to entertain that silliness, the fact of the matter is that SIDIOUS has you by the short and curlies: (1) Yoda is there to "destroy the Sith"; (2) has faced Sith before; (3) has faced Sith lightning before; (4) knows Sidious is a Sith Lord, Master of Dooku, a Sith Lord who has wielded Sith lightning against Yoda prior; (5) the Emperor choreographs the attack; (6) and warns him that its coming.

Six very good reasons why he's probably right and you're probably wrong.

About the warning. If Yoda knew it was coming because it was telegraphed, why wouldn't he have his hands ready before Sidious attacked? When Dooku attacked he already had his hands out and ready, yet he was more relaxed against Sidious, Dooku's superior?

Edit: (just a check, we all really know its like this because of incompetence in the choreography and direction, right?)

No arguments with the choreography. Clearly not George's forte.

Originally posted by Nephthys
About the warning. If Yoda knew it was coming because it was telegraphed, why wouldn't he have his hands ready before Sidious attacked? When Dooku attacked he already had his hands out and ready, yet he was more relaxed against Sidious, Dooku's superior?

Overconfidence? Given the relative ease with which Yoda handled Dooku's shit, perhaps he thought another old geezer wouldn't prove too much a challenge?

See, I am not arguing that Sidious overpowered a fully-prepared Yoda's best defenses. I haven't really been following the argument with SIDIOUS, but I'm not sure he is either. Yoda has demonstrated the ability to, with extraordinary effort and pain, keep the Emperor's lightning at bay.

What I am telling you is that Yoda didn't fall prey to a sneak attack nor did he have a sudden bout of memory loss and forget where he was. He clearly reacted and made a move to defend himself, but Sidious was (for whatever reason) quicker on the draw.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
No arguments with the choreography. Clearly not George's forte.

Overconfidence? Given the relative ease with which Yoda handled Dooku's shit,

Dooku gave a little growl and thrust forth his hand, loosing a line of blue lightning at the diminutive Master.

Yoda caught it in his own hand and turned it aside, but far from easily.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Dooku gave a little growl and thrust forth his hand, loosing a line of blue lightning at the diminutive Master.

Yoda caught it in his own hand and turned it aside, but far from easily.

That's why I said "relative." We see in the film that he's not agonized or exhausted by the effort.

In the novel he seemed more nervous and aware of the gravity of the situation than overconfident. His talk with Obi-wan is filled with pregnant pauses/nervous silence and his thought-process is all about how 900 years had led up to this moment and how important it was that he wins.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
That's why I said "relative." We see in the film that he's not agonized or exhausted by the effort.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
One's lack of agonozing or exhausting expressions do not suggest they don't.

Uh, yeah, they do. It might not confirm that the individual is not in agony or is exhausted, but it certainly would suggest it.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
See, I am not arguing that Sidious overpowered a fully-prepared Yoda's best defenses. I haven't really been following the argument with SIDIOUS, but I'm not sure he is either.

Yup, that's basically kinda the same thing I suggested.

Originally posted by Nephthys
In the novel he seemed more nervous and aware of the gravity of the situation than overconfident. His talk with Obi-wan is filled with pregnant pauses/nervous silence and his thought-process is all about how 900 years had led up to this moment and how important it was that he wins.

Which kinda contradicts your whole argument that Yoda would walk in with his force defenses lowered, and decide not to defend himself from an incoming attack.

But not that he didn't have his lightsaber out, his light tone and that his hands were on his cane right up until the attack.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Uh, yeah, they do. It might not confirm that the individual is not in agony or is exhausted, but it certainly would suggest it.

Originally posted by Nephthys
But not that he didn't have his lightsaber out, his light tone and that his hands were on his cane right up until the attack.

lol ok

Originally posted by Intrepid37
But then again, the novelization suggests the opposite and I would certainly favor the novelization over interpretation of G-canon.

Far from easily does not necessarily mean extremely difficult, it just suggests that there is a level of effort. When something is so difficult to the point of being agonizing or exhausting, it's kinda hard not to show it.

I never claimed that it was ''extremely difficult'' or that Yoda was ''agonized/exhausted'', just that he didn't turn it away with ''relative ease'' but ''far from easily''.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
But then again, the novelization suggests the opposite and I would certainly favor the novelization over interpretation of G-canon.

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The novelization suggestsstates that Yoda's deflection of Dooku's volley was "far from" easy.

Compared to the excruciation we witness Yoda endure in ROTS against Sidious, his experience with Dooku can be reasonably labeled "relative ease."

There is a difference between "uneasy" or even "far from easy" and "agony" or "exhausting."

We see in the film Yoda handle the lightning and offer Dooku grins and taunts. It might not have been easy, but he certainly wasn't pushed to his limits.

With Sidious's lightning, he's either knocked unconscious or agonized/extremely pissed off. No humor, no levity.