Eternity is supposed to be infinite iirc
Originally posted by Eel O'BrienI don't think it's Marvel not following up, I think it's you not reading anything from Marvel
[B]I never speak basically, nor do I reek.Are you saying Marvel doesn't do this? Hulk straight up lifted Mjolnir? Sentry really is the Angel of Death?
Not bias; just observation.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Everyone and their mother knows about that unquantifiable, shared feat.Might as well start claiming that since the Silver Surfer fought in the core of a black hole, he's infinitely durable.
👆. Its laughable that said feat is still brought up in any serious capacity....despite infinite "weight" never even being mentioned. smh
If/when Hickman elaborates on his feat (Hickman's known for trolling fans so I take his answer referring to Hyperion's feat with a grain of salt), we can pick it apart as need be. Until then, it was made quite clear what was going on. And again, it's not like this feat will translate into combat showings, so W.G.A.F?
😂 @ Kal-Queda
Originally posted by Eel O'Brien
I never speak basically, nor do I reek.Are you saying Marvel doesn't do this? Hulk straight up lifted Mjolnir? Sentry really is the Angel of Death?
Not bias; just observation.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
it's you not reading anything from Marvel
Originally posted by leonidasSuperman benching a planet for the better part of the week while completely deprived of sunlight isn't far outside his usual showings though. We get it.
😂yep, clearly that is what i meant. thank god you're here to occasionally clear up these issues. actually, i DON'T like it, but it did happen, unfortunately. i DO think that there will likely be some further elaboration on it (and the writer has hinted at such). if there isn't, cool, it goes so far outside his usual showings that it is the definition of PIS. so, it's 'meh', either way.
Originally posted by leonidasThis is a new character. It's how he was introduced. There's nothing to base your doubt off of save for your own mental baggage. Cryptic writer comments don't serve as proof around here. Certainly not cryptic writer comments in response to dozens of internet troll queries that have spiraled to the point where Hickman is actively reverse-trolling them. And I am not dictating that you accept this feat. You clearly don't. I'm just pointing out that you don't accept the feat, in contravention to the clear presentation of the feat itself, reinforced by plot exposition in another comic that was concurrently released, based on an imaginary future plot twist to come.
guilty as charged. i DO hope it's reversed, or at least explained away more fully. prime had myriad feats that make that feat at least somewhere within the realm of believability regarding his character. hyperion.........doesn't. in fact, he has nothing even close to what he did here--no one, anywhere, does. yet we should blindly accept him having 'held apart' 2 universes WITHOUT questioning said feat at all? even when the writer himself has said there will be more info to come? nuh-uh. not me any way. the feat is sooooo ludicrous that it DESERVES skepticism. believe as blithely as you wish, i don't care. just don't try telling me what i have to and don't have to accept or question. please.
There's a not-so-subtle difference between healthy skepticism and IDLI, IDH. And feel free to feel differently about it, but you don't get to tell me that I'm not allowed to point it out. Please.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
If/when Hickman elaborates on his feat (Hickman's known for trolling fans so I take his answer referring to Hyperion's feat with a grain of salt), we can pick it apart as need be. Until then, it was made quite clear what was going on. And again, it's not like this feat will translate into combat showings, so W.G.A.F?😂 @ Kal-Queda
wgaf?
for me, it just doesn't make sense that hyperion could be able to perform such a feat. it's as simple as that. thor? hulk? superman? hell, holding 2 universes apart would likely be called PIS for THOSE guys. hype doing it? it seems the very definition of PIS to me. it's the absurdity/scale of the feat that bothers me, and having hype perform it (who is manifestly NOT the strongest being in both universes, though this feat DWARFS any feat ever performed by another hero or villain in comics) demeans the act itself imo. not sure if you or anyone gets what i mean by that. the illuminati needed the IG to perform the feat, yet....i'm supposed to accept blindly that hype just....pushed them apart? i honestly don't understand the lack of skepticism with this feat.
Originally posted by leonidasthis Hype is a new Hype
wgaf?for me, it just doesn't make sense that hyperion could be able to perform such a feat. it's as simple as that. thor? hulk? superman? hell, holding 2 universes apart would likely be called PIS for THOSE guys. hype doing it? it seems the very definition of PIS to me. it's the absurdity/scale of the feat that bothers me, and having hype perform it (who is manifestly NOT the strongest being in both universes, though this feat DWARFS any feat ever performed by another hero or villain in comics) demeans the act itself imo. not sure if you or anyone gets what i mean by that. the illuminati needed the IG to perform the feat, yet....i'm supposed to accept blindly that hype just....pushed them apart? i honestly don't understand the lack of skepticism with this feat.
The IG didn't fail, Hype did
Originally posted by leonidas
wgaf?for me, it just doesn't make sense that hyperion could be able to perform such a feat. it's as simple as that. thor? hulk? superman? hell, holding 2 universes apart would likely be called PIS for THOSE guys. hype doing it? it seems the very definition of PIS to me. it's the absurdity/scale of the feat that bothers me, and having hype perform it (who is manifestly NOT the strongest being in both universes, though this feat DWARFS any feat ever performed by another hero or villain in comics) demeans the act itself imo. not sure if you or anyone gets what i mean by that. the illuminati needed the IG to perform the feat, yet....i'm supposed to accept blindly that hype just....pushed them apart? i honestly don't understand the lack of skepticism with this feat.
Who gives a phuck.
Well, it is a different Hyperion, to be fair. Still, even with this feat, there's no reason to believe it will turn him into some kind of abstract being or anything and we all know he's not going to be punching with "universal strength" or anything. Hell, he's already been shown to be a peer to Hulk and Thor, neither of which possess a feat to that scale.
Personally, I find it to be a laughably absurd high level feat for someone in his tier, a tier which is often defined by laughably absurd high level feats.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
that was retconned into DCnU?Also, aren't universes supposed to be infinite? I'd take 2 times infinite space over half of infinite pages any day
Even though that whole sentence was retarded
Originally posted by ODG
Superman benching a planet for the better part of the week while completely deprived of sunlight isn't far outside his usual showings though. We get it. This is a new character. It's how he was introduced. There's nothing to base your doubt off of save for your own mental baggage. Cryptic writer comments don't serve as proof around here. Certainly not cryptic writer comments in response to dozens of internet troll queries that have spiraled to the point where Hickman is actively reverse-trolling them. And I am not dictating that you accept this feat. You clearly don't. I'm just pointing out that you don't accept the feat, in contravention to the clear presentation of the feat itself, reinforced by plot exposition in another comic that was concurrently released, based on an imaginary future plot twist to come.There's a not-so-subtle difference between healthy skepticism and IDLI, IDH. And feel free to feel differently about it, but you don't get to tell me that I'm not allowed to point it out. Please.
supes history (like prime's) at least makes his feat, while out there, somewhere within the realm of possibility for him. not like he held 2 universes apart, right? and i can absolutely tell you not to point it out--if it's simply arrogant assumption as opposed to truth and something that wasn't there to begin with. i'll say it one more time--it did happen, i don't like it, i suspect it will be elaborated on, if not, it will be labelled PIS. even without hickman's comment, i thought it would be explained further. if not, well, dumber things have happened in comics i guess, but imo, not much dumber than hyperion holding apart 2 universes via strength.
and yeah, i have a preconceived notion of the character--established by marvel for years and years. if they want to reintroduce him, cool. a departure this large from what we've seen is ridiculous imo, and again, deserving of skepticism. maybe this 'new hype' will make a habit of holding apart universes, in which case you'll all have been right. for the moment, believe at face value what you'd like. just don't expect me to believe or accept it as readily.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
this Hype is a new HypeThe IG didn't fail, Hype did
yeah, i get that. it still seems to go soooooo far against his established character that it.....is laughable, really. and while you're right about which failed, just mentioning hype in conversation with a full on assault by the IG is in itself NOT helping hype's position. shrug
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Who gives a phuck.
lol 👆
Well, it is a different Hyperion, to be fair. Still, even with this feat, there's no reason to believe it will turn him into some kind of abstract being or anything and we all know he's not going to be punching with "universal strength" or anything. Hell, he's already been shown to be a peer to Hulk and Thor, neither of which possess a feat to that scale.
i know, that's what i said about demeaning the feat. of hype can do it then there must be a dozen (more??) guys in both universes suddenly capable of holding apart 2 universes. that's......assinine. 😐
Personally, I find it to be a laughably absurd high level feat for someone in his tier, a tier which is often defined by laughably absurd high level feats.
not THAT high level though, and that, for me is the crux of it i guess.
interesting discussion. later folks.
Originally posted by leonidas
yeah, i get that. it still seems to go soooooo far against his established character that it.....is laughable, really. and while you're right about which failed, just mentioning hype in conversation with a full on assault by the IG is in itself NOT helping hype's position. shruglol 👆
i know, that's what i said about demeaning the feat. of hype can do it then there must be a dozen (more??) guys in both universes suddenly capable of holding apart 2 universes. that's......assinine. 😐
not THAT high level though, and that, for me is the crux of it i guess.
interesting discussion. later folks.
Fair enough.
Personally, I think this feat isn't all that more ludicrous than Superman pre-Flashpoint lifting infinite weight or the sum of eternity or Thor providing 1/4 the energy needed to uphold the multiverse. Sure, it's crazy, but it won't effect his overall standing any. Unless of course he does this shit regularly and it effect his power in combat.
Originally posted by leonidasA highly uninspired alternate universe Superman clone comes in with crazy feats of strength and durability and is virtually embraced by KMC.
supes history (like prime's) at least makes his feat, while out there, somewhere within the realm of possibility for him. not like he held 2 universes apart, right? and i can absolutely tell you not to point it out--if it's simply arrogant assumption as opposed to truth and something that wasn't there to begin with. i'll say it one more time--it did happen, i don't like it, i suspect it will be elaborated on, if not, it will be labelled PIS. even without hickman's comment, i thought it would be explained further. if not, well, dumber things have happened in comics i guess, but imo, not much dumber than hyperion holding apart 2 universes via strength.
A highly uninspired alternate universe Superman clone comes in with crazy feats of strength and durability and is being completely ignored or alternatively lowballed by KMC.
Who's who? Why, I couldn't even tell you. Basically, you explained what I've already suspected: Superman Prime is cool because he's sorta Superman. Hyperion isn't cool because he sorta ain't Superman.
Originally posted by leonidasIn other words, your bald refusal has everything to do with Superman and nothing to do with what this Hyperion actually did on-panel. Just don't expect me to calmly accept that that line of opinion, not without the proper ridicule it richly deserves.
and yeah, i have a preconceived notion of the character--established by marvel for years and years. if they want to reintroduce him, cool. a departure this large from what we've seen is ridiculous imo, and again, deserving of skepticism. maybe this 'new hype' will make a habit of holding apart universes, in which case you'll all have been right. for the moment, believe at face value what you'd like. just don't expect me to believe or accept it as readily.
Originally posted by leonidasThere is rich irony in this comment (not actually on you, leonidas). Because for some reason the whole Superman "lifting a book of infinite pages" thing kept getting thrown at this thread. Firstly, Superman lifted it together with an alternate universe Captain Marvel. So it wasn't just Superman. And then, just one issue later, Ultraman went and lifted it up all by himself.
i know, that's what i said about demeaning the feat. of hype can do it then there must be a dozen (more??) guys in both universes suddenly capable of holding apart 2 universes. that's......assinine. 😐
But was this feat ever considered to be asinine because then there must be a dozen (more??) guys in both universes suddenly capable of lifting infinite weight? Since serial-offender schnook, Ultraman, went and did it twiceover? Whatever. People don't even remember Ultraman. Unimportant. Who, what now? Carry on.