Originally posted by Branlor Swift
He's definitely been written more consistent and more durable since thenPlus he was turning Namor-ish level people into atoms and turning into a big mouth monster.
He seems calmer and yet colder at the same time
I can agree with that. Defenders certainly had him doing more stuff than blasting people and board attacks.
Originally posted by zopzop
You know this how? You interviewed Starlin?Fact is, writers tend to do their own thing. Starlin put those words in Odin's mouth. I'll go with what Starlin wanted to portray.
Yeah, but that issue of Warlock and the Infinity Watch featured several lines of BS (which was PIS ridden and an outright lie) just to make Thanos look good...
For example, Odin prasies Thanos saying that he hadnt faced such a foe in EONS...
That is a bold faced lie and is completely and utterly inaccurate; hes faced Surtur and Seth (among others) much more recently than that and they actually managed to harm Odin...
Do you agree with that zop?
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Yeah, but that issue of Warlock and the Infinity Watch featured several lines of BS (which was PIS ridden and an outright lie) just to make Thanos look good...For example, Odin prasies Thanos saying that he hadnt faced such a foe in [b]EONS
...That is a bold faced lie and is completely and utterly inaccurate; hes faced Surtur and Seth (among others) much more recently than that and they actually managed to harm Odin...
Do you agree with that zop? [/B]
Hell Odin even said Thanos taps into a power nearly as limitless as he, Odin, does.
Originally posted by zopzop
No. I go with what the writer stated LoM. Once we start ignoring what the writer clearly intended to portray, there's no point to anything on this forum.Hell Odin even said Thanos taps into a power nearly as limitless as he, Odin, does.
facepalm
But we know that's not true.
Thanos' feats don't come close to Odin's best, and Thanos didn't come close to putting Odin down like other beings have.
Writer intent and statements are nice, but if they're clearly contradicted by on panel feats, they hold less water than a net.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
facepalmBut we [b]know
that's not true.Thanos' feats don't come close to Odin's best, and Thanos didn't come close to putting Odin down like other beings have.
Writer intent and statements are nice, but if they're clearly contradicted by on panel feats, they hold less water than a net. [/B]
Originally posted by zopzop
Take that up with Starlin, he wrote the damn thing. That's what he wanted to portray and that's what he penned. Don't like it? Oh well.
😂
I'll take a collective history of feats and battles w/statements and writer intent over Starlin's throw away line of dialogue.
There's way more evidence supporting my argument then there is against it, which is literally that single line of dialogue.
How you can ignore the majority of feats/statements/etc. in favor of one that's very quickly contradicted when you take a step back is beyond me.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
😂I'll take a collective history of feats and battles w/statements and writer intent over Starlin's throw away line of dialogue.
There's way more evidence supporting my argument then there is against it, which is literally that single line of dialogue.
How you can ignore the majority of feats/statements/etc. in favor of one that's very quickly contradicted when you take a step back is beyond me.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
facepalmBut we [b]know
that's not true.Thanos' feats don't come close to Odin's best, and Thanos didn't come close to putting Odin down like other beings have.
Writer intent and statements are nice, but if they're clearly contradicted by on panel feats, they hold less water than a net. [/B]
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Jake, do you remember when Odin arrived on the battlefield in that issue?
One of the Asgardians shows surprise and couldnt remember the last time Odin took to the battlefield...LoL!!!!
So now all of the Asgardian Race (Odin included) possesses Alheimzers Disease!? According to Starlin they do...
There was a ridiculous amount of bad writting in that issue that gets overlooked because people like Thanos...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
👆Jake, do you remember when Odin arrived on the battlefield in that issue?
One of the Asgardians shows surprise and couldnt remember the last time Odin took to the battlefield...LoL!!!!
So now all of the Asgardian Race (Odin included) possesses Alheimzers Disease!? According to Starlin they do...
There was a ridiculous amount of bad writting in that issue that gets overlooked because people like Thanos...
Lol, I didn't recall that, but yeah, that's dumb. Odin's battled alongside the Asgardians or has entered personal combat a lot more often than they let on.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift👆
He's definitely been written more consistent and more durable since thenPlus he was turning Namor-ish level people into atoms and turning into a big mouth monster.
He seems calmer and yet colder at the same time
Beat the phuck out of Ravenous. Surfed the Big Crunch swell onto Tenebrous and Aegis. Beat the phuck out of Nova Prime. Beat the phuck out of Beta Ray Bill. Beat the phuck out of Skaar. Incinerated High Evolutionary's terraformation of the Moon. Matched Thor. Etc.
Originally posted by ODG
You act like Thanos was caught with his pants down. And Thanos really had no choice with Odin. PG Thor was going to break free and kill them all and Thanos knew the only way to get Odin's help was to get his undivided attention. So stop trying to paint that fight as if Odin romped and stomped onto Thanos' doorstep while he was testing different kinds of purple eyeliner. Thanos engaged Odin, full-on. Asked for Surfer's help to do it, even. Thanos managed to topple DP Tyrant, several times, elicited several gasps/grunts of pain. Thanos didn't budge Odin, even with Surfer's help. It's pretty obvious who looked superior: Odin. Well clearly, if you ask a Thanosi... someone with all the memories of Thanos, he would say, and did say Odin beat him. So there's that. You're forgetting that DP Tyrant owned Galactus the same way Doom owned him. Let me know if you're witless enough to suggest that Doom surpasses Odin because of power-yoink plot mechanics. You also forget that DP Tyrant admitted he should flee when Galactus confronted him and gave up a host of heralds. Yet when DP Tyrant directly attacked Galactus, he didn't do sh1t. And Odin did. Give Odin plot-device ability to amp off Galactus' attacks, he'd have done better. Feel free to pretend otherwise.Odin one-shot Surfer. DP Tyrant took several shots to put down a weakened Surfer. Somehow, you have the audacity to suggest that comparison is less favorable for Odin. Once you're reduced to the point of embracing clear absurdity, it's pretty clear you've got no room left to constructively discuss the issue. Which was obvious from the start.
I never once claimed that Thanos still wanted to have Tea wth Odin even after he was refusing to help. What I am claiming and what is undeniable is that you don't incapacitate nor hurt somebody you NEED their help on. That is totally illogical and for you to even suggest it's the same as LOOKING for a fight and PREPPING AND AMPING for one is downright retarded.
Thanos against Odin
1. Was seekign his help.. you clearly aren't going to try as hard to put somebody down you need their help on. Trying to get their attention.. trying to subdue them.. sure... but would never be with the same vigor as actually wanting a fight and SEEKING a fight.
2. Thanos didn't prep for his battle with Odin
3. Thanos didn't acquire an amp for his battle with Odin
4. Thanos never backed down.. never admitted Odin was his superior.. never admitted Odin could kill him..
5. Odin brought out a weapon to put Thanos down
Thanos against Tyrant
1. Thanos went looking for a fight with Tyrant to test his might
2. Thanos prepped and studied Tyrant looking for a weakness to exploit
3. Thanos acquired an amp to fight Tyrant
4. In a much shorter battle Thanos admitted that if he stayed Tyrant would kill him and proceded to leave.
5. Tyrant never brought out a single weapon to help put Thanos down.
All of the above are indisputable facts that paint Tyrant as the stronger foe. Literally.. the ONLY thing that even points to even coming across as superior is the fact that THanos attacks didn't seem to have the same effect on Odin as they did on Tyrant. However, that is easily explained by Thanos being amped against Tyrant and not Odin.. and again Thanos not trying as hard since he wasn't even seeking a fight.
Galactus against Odin
1. Didn't even think of feeding on a planet ripe with nutrients , in fact, he choose a wasteland
2. Didn't even think about backing down from Odin nor even commenting that his battle with Odin with wreck much of anything
3. Galactus doesn't even know Odin very well and certainly not as well as he knows Tyrant.. and yet Odin was still beaten and beaten soundly
Galactus against Tyrant
1. Galactus sends his herald to find a planet ripe in nutrients. He proceeds to say he hasn't felt this strong in ages
2. Galactus DID back down from Tyrant when they met and said that too much woudl be destroyed if they fought. He was clearly weary of Tyrant and this was expressed via narration numerous times. He NEVER expressed concern about facing Odin
3. Galactus knows Tyrant IN and OUT.. he literally created him to be in his own image. Yet, he still got owned by Tyrant even still.
Clearly, Tyrant came across as superior against Galactus than Odin did. Again the above are indisputable facts. Are you forgetting that Tyrant was created in Galactus image to be his equal. Do you put Odin above Galactus? If not, then how is Odin above somebody created in Galactus image and beat Galactus himself? That is totally illogical and ass backwards.
Literally NONE of the attacks of those heralds even fazed tyrant one bit. Shit we've seen Thor hurt odin with his hammer. BRB literally threw his hammer full force at Tyrant and it did NOTHING. Didn't do a thing. Tyrant beats a team that would utterally crush a half trying surfer and draz and you go... ohhh odin looked for impressive WTF. Tyrant laughed at the team and literally owned them with utter ease.
the ONLY literally the ONLY thing you have that makes you believe odin is greater than Tyrant is Odin not being moved from the attacks of Thanos. Again though, that is easily explained by the amp. To go further... Thanos WITHOUT an amp sent Galactus flying hundreds of feat out of his ship and councing on a moon... yet he didn't budge Odin... So does that mean Odin greater than Galactus? See what I did there? Sorry bud, game over.
Originally posted by zopzop
Hell Odin even said Thanos taps into a power nearly as limitless as he, Odin, does.
Odin said it, but Starlin made him say it...
The same Starlin that wrote the Asgardians as a bunch of old folks that lack long term memories...
The same Starlin that made Odin tell a bold faced lie about the last time hes faced such a foe...
That was badly written zop...
Originally posted by ODG
👆Beat the phuck out of Ravenous. Surfed the Big Crunch swell onto Tenebrous and Aegis. Beat the phuck out of Nova Prime. Beat the phuck out of Beta Ray Bill. Beat the phuck out of Skaar. Incinerated High Evolutionary's terraformation of the Moon. Matched Thor. Etc.
Yea, Surfer has been pretty beastly lately. The only time he hasn't steamrolled his opponents recently is Thor and Worthy Attuma.
It's funny because even in the Lee days, Odin got taken to the brink by opponents in a manner than Thanos wasn't able to match.
Even in the context of the story itself, Thanos didn't display power equal to Odin's, yet that statement should be taken at face value?
Thanos' showed great durability and willpower standing against Odin. But let's not warp it into Thanos being equal to Odin or giving Odin the greatest fight he's had in eons when it's clearly not true.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Odin said it, but Starlin made him say it...The same Starlin that wrote the Asgardians as a bunch of old folks that lack long term memories...
The same Starlin that made Odin tell a bold faced lie about the last time hes faced such a foe...
That was badly writen zop...
Are you suggesting we pick and choice what writers have characters say.. and question each and every line? No, they have them say what they are intended to say and feel. Period.. There are exceptions... but I certainly hope you're not advocating we don't give credit to what characters say and personally decide what we wanna throw out.