Surtur W/Twilight Sword Vs DP Tyrant

Originally posted by vince_slice
http://dwaynemcduffie.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10&p=72689&hilit=silver+surfer

From the writer (McDuffie) himself:

"Read the scene again and this time pay attention. The Surfer allowed the Panther to "restrain" him in the hope of finding out what the FF was up to. A panel later, the Surfer's assistant blasts the Panther unconscious. The Surfer is irritated because he wanted the Panther to talk, which he thought he might do if the Panther believed he had the upper hand. Most of the people who ***** about this have only seen a scan of one page, or have poor reading comprehension skills."

Thanks for this. I still think McDuffie was out of line if he blames the readers for misinterpreting the scene.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
@Thanosi...

You stated the following:

"3. Galactus knows Tyrant IN and OUT.. he literally created him to be in his own image."

Yet despite knowing Tyrant "IN and OUT," Galactus somehow managed to [b]forget Tyrants ENTIRE POWERSET when they fought (and to make it even worse, its all clearly stated and seen on panel)...

Thank you for admitting that Tyrant beating Galactus was one of the most PIS-ridden fights in the history of Marvel Comics...

💃 [/B]

That could very likely NOT be PIS because Tyrant was in exile getting his power back for 1,000's of years. So, if he was gaining his power back... it only stands to reason he could develop some new tricks, increase his versatility or even just perfect the powers he had. This is perfectly logical and reaonable for somebody hell bent on reclaiming his throne would do or what anybody would do. The more you tinker with your powers you become even better at them and learn new ones...

Originally posted by Raisen
What was the context of those comments? Don't leave that out Leonidas............

the context of what....? 😕

they were....fighting. everyone knows when and where and how it was said. the statement absolutely does not supercede the myriad showings that took place before and after it. not sure what your point is.....

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
That could very likely NOT be PIS because Tyrant was in exile getting his power back for 1,000's of years. So, if he was gaining his power back... it only stands to reason he could develop some new tricks, increase his versatility or even just perfect the powers he had. This is perfectly logical and reaonable for somebody hell bent on reclaiming his throne would do or what anybody would do. The more you tinker with your powers you become even better at them and learn new ones...

Dude, stop trying to BS this in a way that makes Tyrant look good and the writting legit; IT CLEARLY IS STATED ON PANEL THAT GALACTUS FORGOT WHAT TYRANT COULD DO...

There were no new tricks; Galactus forgot...

Thats what was written...

And its massive PIS as a result...

Look at the massive PIS; Galactus is senile and lacks long term memory on someone he prepped for and knows "IN and OUT!" 😂

This actually happens all the time.. Just look at MMA as a real world example... Anderson Silva knows Sonnen's best bet to beat him and his greatest strength is his ground and pound. That didn't stop him from getting taken down. As he stated... when you're in the heat of battle and fist are flying you forget your gameplan and what the guy can do. This happen ALL the time in MMA and boxing...football etc etc Just because you knew somethign before when you are game planning and studying tape.. doesn't mean you'll be able to execute it nor remember every little thing when you're fighting for your life.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Look at the massive PIS; Galactus is senile and lacks long term memory on someone he prepped for and knows "IN and OUT!" 😂

Reed drove him away from the Earth the first time they tangled by dangling the Nullifier in his face.

When Morg had the Nullifier, Galactus was screaming at the top of his lungs for him to hand it over.

I even think he was punked by a FAKE Nullifier one time too.

Yet against Abraxas, Galactus called the Nullifier to his hand claiming it was a part of him.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Also one of surfer's most humiliating "feats" occured just after his supposed amp i.e. BP armbarring him and threatening to rip his arm out. Not to mention Ravenous was stalemating him after his amp untill surfer killed his curr.
ha-som

Lol...just lol.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
This actually happens all the time.. Just look at MMA as a real world example... Anderson Silva knows Sonnen's best bet to beat him and his greatest strength is his ground and pound. That didn't stop him from getting taken down. As he stated... when you're in the heat of battle and fist are flying you forget your gameplan and what the guy can do. This happen ALL the time in MMA and boxing...football etc etc Just because you knew somethign before when you are game planning and studying tape.. doesn't mean you'll be able to execute it nor remember every little thing when you're fighting for your life.

BS...

This is Galactus...not a normal human being.

Galactus is an energy being; there are no neurons that fail to fire or recieve a signal that leads to a failure to retrieve a memory like it does in humans...

There is no justification for it; stops trying to make the writting be right when it clearly isnt...

Galactus should never forget; especially when dealing with someone he knows he is facing and is prepped for...

Again, stop trying to BS your way araound it; the wriiting sucked and was massive PIS...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
BS...

This is Galactus...not a normal human being.

Galactus is an energy being;

Originally posted by abhilegend
Also one of surfer's most humiliating "feats" occured just after his supposed amp i.e. BP armbarring him and threatening to rip his arm out. Not to mention Ravenous was stalemating him after his amp untill surfer killed his curr.
ha-som

One has Surfer pretending to lose and the other has Surfer making an opponent, who (just an issue or 2 ago) was writting as his equal, poop his pants (blowing up a planet just to prove a point).

I know there's a smiley face and maybe this was written in "jest" (you've been doing this a lot recently) but I don't feel where the humor is other than utter wrongness of the statement, man. Surely, Surfer has had worse showings than these?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
No, I simple turned your own logic against you, and you hate when I do that ODG. Your whole point and ONLY point was that Thanos didn't budge Odin, but moved Tyrant, thus Odin is more powerful. I destroyed that theory by simply pointing out that Thaons was amped against Tyrant and not against Odin. Ya know, because Thanos viewed Tyratn as a legit threat and somebody he watned to challenge. He prepped for Tyrant got an amp to fight Tyrant. So of course that can explain why he moved him.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Okay I asked for PROOF that Thanos was amped... and you gave me speculation. Thanos trying to get an orb and scrabbling to do so ISN'T PROOF Stoic. You claiming that is proof is so amusing I don't know where to begin. Proof would be narration saying the orb was amping Thanos strength or blast. There was ZERO narration like that. Don't you understand that him scrabbling to get the orb could be very EASILY and SIMPLY be explained by that being his brize. He didn't want to lose his prize to study. Prize becvause it was something to gain knowledge from and because it was taken from Tyrant. He scrabbilng to get it is easily explain by that being his prize.

So yea. Too bad you forgot about that. It helps to read the comic.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
However, to totally crush your theory, Thanos didnt' budge Odin but sent flying a well fed galactus. So then but your theory Odin > Galactus... WAIT... We all know that is the exact opposite of true. So how easy it was to destroy yoru ONLY proof that Odin is above Tyrant.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
This simple facts that can't be overcome in this debate is this... Thanos prepped for Tyrant.. acquired an amp to fight Tyrant... sought a fight with Tyrant... and in a much shorter period of time ADMITTED Tyrant was his superior and left. Against Odin... Thanos didn't prep.. didn't have an amp.. and yet in a much longer fight NEVER once admitted Odin was his superior and never once thought about backing down. We all know that is pretty easy to see how Thanos thought was more powerful, but to make matters worse and more clear.... A Thanos clone with minimal prep.. made Odin his ***** and forced to eat out of a straw... Thanos prepped for Tyrant and got an amp and he could do nothing but run from Tyrant aftetr feeling his power. That is how far apart Odin and Tyrant. are.

Odin has a plethora of straight feats of personal power that are superior to DP Tyrant's. Which I went over and you completely ignore because they hurt your butt. By all means, keep ignoring them. Allows me to remind you repeatedly that you have absolutely no answer for em.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Shit, the same Thanos clone was ordering around Mangog like he was his *****, after makign Odin his *****. Problem is, that same guy Thanos was ordering around like a dog has made Odin his ***** to. Damn that's bad.

Thanos + Surfer vs Odin :

Thanos by himself vs Galactus :

Since Thanos affected Galactus or Tyrant more than he did Odin, clearly Odin is more powerful than Galactus or Tyrant.

/thread

^ The conversation that KuRuPT Thanosi conveniently forgot was the same exact one we had: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=572718&pagenumber=6

I like how you pretend that we haven't gone through this before. I imagine you'll end up pretending we haven't discussed this at least 3 more times before the year is out.

Originally posted by vince_slice
http://dwaynemcduffie.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10&p=72689&hilit=silver+surfer

From the writer (McDuffie) himself:

"Read the scene again and this time pay attention. The Surfer allowed the Panther to "restrain" him in the hope of finding out what the FF was up to. A panel later, the Surfer's assistant blasts the Panther unconscious. The Surfer is irritated because he wanted the Panther to talk, which he thought he might do if the Panther believed he had the upper hand. Most of the people who ***** about this have only seen a scan of one page, or have poor reading comprehension skills."

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Still sippin on dat haterade eh?

Originally posted by Nibedicus
One has Surfer pretending to lose and the other has Surfer making an opponent, who (just an issue or 2 ago) was writting as his equal, poop his pants (blowing up a planet just to prove a point).

I know there's a smiley face and maybe this was written in "jest" (you've been doing this a lot recently) but I don't feel where the humor is other than utter wrongness of the statement, man. Surely, Surfer has had worse showings than these?

Originally posted by abhilegend
I re-read annihilation and found something interesting. Ravenous was stalemating surfer pound for pound untill surfer killed his curr even when surfer was in his mythical "annihilation-surfer mode". The planet busting and ravenous shitting his pants came later.

Interesting indeed.

There was nothing wrong in whatever I said.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Mcduffie backtracking to save his ass from a severe backlash after pages of arguing and justifying the armbar isn't a proof. Surfer was in obvious agony on panel. Not to mention stardust didn't ko panther in one panel. I can also post Brevoort saying that panther is actually stronger than surfer, you know. Online comments are worthless.

Hmm, whose interpretation of the scene should we trust more? The actual author himself who wrote the entire scene, or a superman fanboy on the internet? Hard decision for any rational person, I'm sure. 🤣

Originally posted by abhilegend
There was no pretending in BP/Surfer armbar. That's mcduffie talking out of his ass. Surfer was in agony when he was being restrained. Also it would help to read the whole surfer ravenous fight and not selected scans

Ravenous was stalemating surfer as the first time untill surfer killed his curr. A curr-less ravenous pooped his pants worse than surfer against xenith who was just toying with him. He's a emo *****.

There was nothing wrong in whatever I said.

He wouldn't be very convincing in pretending to be restrained if he didn't show "agony" in his face now would he? Writer statements are taken here better than crazy ol'Brevoort who had little to do with the writing of said story and who has a rep of talking out of his butt in forums. Even if we were to take your interpretation of the "feats" (something I've learned to take with more than a pinch of salt of late), his new statements SHOULD be considered a soft "retcon" of said scene or at least further clarification of said scene. You can refuse to believe the writer as it serves your purposes, but I'll go ahead and not do that.

I HAVE the Annihilation compilation book with the Ravenous fight in it. A few issues before, Ravenous was shown to be Surfer's equal. In this fight, they scuffle for a few pages and Ravenous couldn't even hurt Surfer with his attacks once Surfer braced and had to send in his currs out of desperation. W/c was dumb as Surfer figured that it was time to stop playing and one shotted them and went on to make Ravenous wet his pants. He didn't steamroll Ravenous, but even with his upgrade, he shouldn't be steamrolling high heralders anyway. I'm rather perplexed how you even see that as a "low showing". Fighting (then beating in short order) a fellow high herald is NOT a low showing. Getting one shot by some random no name Atlantean is.

Like I said, these aren't his lowest showings and posting them to show them as such is just wrong IMO.

Originally posted by vince_slice
That thread wasn't "pages of arguing" to justify the armbar. It was a Q&A thread to ask McDuffie anything. Only two posts in the thread were dedicated to the armbar.

Hmm, whose interpretation of the scene should we trust more? The actual author himself who wrote the entire scene, or a superman fanboy on the internet? Hard decision for any rational person, I'm sure. 🤣

Brevoort is a superman fanboy on internet? Lawl.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
He wouldn't be very convincing in pretending to be restrained if he didn't show "agony" in his face now would he? Writer statements are taken here better than crazy ol'Brevoort who had little to do with the writing of said story and who has a rep of talking out of his butt in forums. Even if we were to take your interpretation of the "feats" (something I've learned to take with more than a pinch of salt of late), his new statements SHOULD be considered a soft "retcon" of said scene or at least further clarification of said scene. You can refuse to believe the writer as it serves your purposes, but I'll go ahead and not do that.

I HAVE the Annihilation compilation book with the Ravenous fight in it. A few issues before, Ravenous was shown to be Surfer's equal. In this fight, they scuffle for a few pages and Ravenous couldn't even hurt Surfer with his attacks once Surfer braced and had to send in his currs out of desperation. W/c was dumb as Surfer figured that it was time to stop playing and one shotted them and went on to make Ravenous wet his pants. He didn't steamroll Ravenous, but even with his upgrade, he shouldn't be steamrolling high heralders anyway. I'm rather perplexed how you even see that as a "low showing". Fighting (then beating in short order) a fellow high herald is NOT a low showing. Getting one shot by some random no name Atlantean is.

Like I said, these aren't his lowest showings and posting them to show them as such is just wrong IMO.

Ravenous was actively stalemating surfer in a handlock just before that scene where surfer tanked his shots. You've to be blind not to see it. Ravenous isn't a high herald with currs let alone without it. Ronan oneshotted him without his currs just like surfer did and firelord fought him to a double ko while weakened with currs. Xenith pushed his shit in without currs. Its not a low showing, it just shows that surfer was at the same level after his "amp". Also good try bringing superman surprised and shot in the air as being oneshotted.

BP restraining surfer is absolutely a low showing. Beating ravenous isn't and I'm not sure why you think I presented it as one.