Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Are you suggesting we pick and choice what writers have characters say.. and question each and every line? No, they have them say what they are intended to say and feel. Period.. There are exceptions... but I certainly hope you're not advocating we don't give credit to what characters say and personally decide what we wanna throw out.
It's not personally picking and choosing what counts. It's matching statements up against feats.
In this case, there are way more feats suggesting that statement was false than there is suggesting it's accurate. Statements and writer intent are great tools to have for gauging characters, but if the actions of characters contradict them more than once or to such great degrees, those statements mean little, if anything.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Are you suggesting we pick and choice what writers have characters say.. and question each and every line? No, they have them say what they are intended to say and feel. Period.. There are exceptions... but I certainly hope you're not advocating we don't give credit to what characters say and personally decide what we wanna throw out.
Why shouldnt we question every line of dialog, when we do it anyway?
You certainly do it when there is something in a given text that is pro-Thanos...
Why shouldnt we point out writter BS as well; especially when its clearly BS...
The points I've made about the bad writting in Warlock and the Infinity Watch 25 are an example of this; several lines of text in it is poorly written and you cant really argue otherwise (you are welcomed to try, but I'll rip you apart argument wise if you do)...
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
It's not personally picking and choosing what counts. It's matching statements up against feats.In this case, there are way more feats suggesting that statement was false than there is suggesting it's accurate. Statements and writer intent are great tools to have for gauging characters, but if the actions of characters contradict them more than once or to such great degrees, those statements mean little, if anything.
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Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiThanos didn't have to worry about incapacitating or hurting Odin. He wasn't powerful enough to, anyway. As the fight clearly showed since Thanos never budged him. Nice try attempting to paint Thanos as holding back though, "Yo, Surfer, divebomb Odin with me but make sure you secretly go 50% like me, otherwise when comic fans watch us get ragdolled for pages on end, they'll be upset."
I never once claimed that Thanos still wanted to have Tea wth Odin even after he was refusing to help. What I am claiming and what is undeniable is that you don't incapacitate nor hurt somebody you NEED their help on.
I like how you also tried to invoke an imaginary Thanos telling us DP Tyrant was superior to Odin, when we have an on-panel Thanosi with his memories telling us Odin outdid DP Tyrant by beating him. Which is evident from Odin one-shotting high heralds like Surfer, whilst DP Tyrant took several shots to down a weakened Silver Surfer.
Which is all meaningless anyway, since Odin is superior to DP Tyrant based on pure feats of power. DP Tyrant never caused reverberations through the multiverse, teleported planetary populations in a blink, stopped/reversed time on a planet, created an entire world out of sheer nothing just by walking in space, channeled universe-busting energies, etc.
But whatever. You're still woefully flummoxed and denying that Odin's one-shot of Surfer made him look superior to DP Tyrant's multiple shots to down a drained, weakened Surfer. Which is fine. You're stuck in a mud-puddle of absurdity squirming for release by fomenting some myth about Thanos holding back on Odin. Hilarious.
Glad you couldn't counter the indisputable facts I laid out very clearly. Good thing Tyrant has never been beaten by ants.. nor has he been poised like a chump with meager prep from a clone.. The real deal had prep against Tyrant and look where it got him. A clone does a little prep and Odin is left drinking out of a straw. Good thing a clone also ordered around somebody like a dog.. the same dog that has beaten odin and carried his limp body around like a trophy.. good think Tyrant didn't one shot KO himself against Galactus.. he only beat Galactus anc countered every move he had.. he wasn't pitiful enough to KO himself on Galactus.
^ Glad you can't get over the two simplest facts I threw in your face -- Odin one-shot Surfer and wasn't budged by Thanos, DP Tyrant didn't one-shot a weakened Surfer and was toppled by Thanos a bunch -- and are forced to move the goalposts of a discussion because you've got no egress on it. Way to buttress your absurdity by sidestepping it altogether when called out on it. Not that I didn't make cutting observations over your tangents (force of habit). But it's fair for me to remind you when you stop talking about the original issue and why it's so painfully obvious you won't.
Of course, then you started making up a "Thanos held back against Odin" myth. Which is probably more retarded than the old "Odin used his fullpower against Thanos" myth. That was altogether too stupid to simply ignore. Let us know how much purchase you attain in these threads the more you peddle that idiotic notion.
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Originally posted by zopzop
No. I go with what the writer stated LoM. Once we start ignoring what the writer clearly intended to portray, there's no point to anything on this forum.Hell Odin even said Thanos taps into a power nearly as limitless as he, Odin, does.
wut? i just read through this and i didn't see anyone suggest we ignore what thanos said. not sure where you're getting that notion. what i really want to know though is why you place more stock in a single comment than in MYRIAD feats? and why you put so much stock in THIS writer's portrayal over portrayals of other writers? hell, odin has called himself all powerful. thor has said odin is unbeatable. so, each said it, therefore you must clearly accept it since obviously the intent of those writers was made clear by those statements, right? no? well, why is it that you accept odin saying thanos was the most powerful foe he's faced in an eon, but NOT accept that SAME odin saying he is all powerful? or another writer who has thor say odin cannot be beaten? i'll field that for you--because odin's feats and history make clear that those statements are false. like he feats and battles prove his statement to thanos was false.
wth zop? your stance is ludicrous. one comment (not even a feat ffs) clearly does NOT override all previous showings of a character. i can't believe that even has to be explained.
Originally posted by Galan007
Or maybe he was amped. sly
lol
or that. i do agree he has been written a little differently, but to me it seems that he has simply been more ruthless. i think he was likely always able to do what he's been doing, but he mentioned his WILL. maybe it's like owaw superman? perhaps the governor has just been refused?
Originally posted by leonidasFunny he still holds back and is able to own 🙂
lolor that. i do agree he has been written a little differently, but to me it seems that he has simply been more ruthless. i think he was likely always able to do what he's been doing, but he mentioned his WILL. maybe it's like owaw superman? perhaps the governor has just been refused?
I don't think anyone has defeated him in recent memory.
Originally posted by kgkg
Funny he still holds back and is able to own 🙂I don't think anyone has defeated him in recent memory.
Hmm, let's see if Daredevil doesn't break that trend with an armbar.
http://www.newsarama.com/17752-silver-surfer-surfaces-in-august-s-daredevil-30.html
Originally posted by ODG
^ Glad you can't get over the two simplest facts I threw in your face -- Odin one-shot Surfer and wasn't budged by Thanos, DP Tyrant didn't one-shot a weakened Surfer and was toppled by Thanos a bunch -- and are forced to move the goalposts of a discussion because you've got no egress on it. Way to buttress your absurdity by sidestepping it altogether when called out on it. Not that I didn't make cutting observations over your tangents (force of habit). But it's fair for me to remind you when you stop talking about the original issue and why it's so painfully obvious you won't.Of course, then you started making up a "Thanos held back against Odin" myth. Which is probably more retarded than the old "Odin used his fullpower against Thanos" myth. That was altogether too stupid to simply ignore. Let us know how much purchase you attain in these threads the more you peddle that idiotic notion.
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No, I simple turned your own logic against you, and you hate when I do that ODG. Your whole point and ONLY point was that Thanos didn't budge Odin, but moved Tyrant, thus Odin is more powerful. I destroyed that theory by simply pointing out that Thaons was amped against Tyrant and not against Odin. Ya know, because Thanos viewed Tyratn as a legit threat and somebody he watned to challenge. He prepped for Tyrant got an amp to fight Tyrant. So of course that can explain why he moved him. However, to totally crush your theory, Thanos didnt' budge Odin but sent flying a well fed galactus. So then but your theory Odin > Galactus... WAIT... We all know that is the exact opposite of true. So how easy it was to destroy yoru ONLY proof that Odin is above Tyrant.
This simple facts that can't be overcome in this debate is this... Thanos prepped for Tyrant.. acquired an amp to fight Tyrant... sought a fight with Tyrant... and in a much shorter period of time ADMITTED Tyrant was his superior and left. Against Odin... Thanos didn't prep.. didn't have an amp.. and yet in a much longer fight NEVER once admitted Odin was his superior and never once thought about backing down. We all know that is pretty easy to see how Thanos thought was more powerful, but to make matters worse and more clear.... A Thanos clone with minimal prep.. made Odin his ***** and forced to eat out of a straw... Thanos prepped for Tyrant and got an amp and he could do nothing but run from Tyrant aftetr feeling his power. That is how far apart Odin and Tyrant. are.
Shit, the same Thanos clone was ordering around Mangog like he was his *****, after makign Odin his *****. Problem is, that same guy Thanos was ordering around like a dog has made Odin his ***** to. Damn that's bad.
Originally posted by leonidas
wut? i just read through this and i didn't see anyone suggest we ignore what thanos said. not sure where you're getting that notion. what i really want to know though is why you place more stock in a single comment than in MYRIAD feats? and why you put so much stock in THIS writer's portrayal over portrayals of other writers? hell, odin has called himself all powerful. thor has said odin is unbeatable. so, each said it, therefore you must clearly accept it since obviously the intent of those writers was made clear by those statements, right? no? well, why is it that you accept odin saying thanos was the most powerful foe he's faced in an eon, but NOT accept that SAME odin saying he is all powerful? or another writer who has thor say odin cannot be beaten? i'll field that for you--because odin's feats and history make clear that those statements are false. like he feats and battles prove his statement to thanos was false.wth zop? your stance is ludicrous. one [b]comment
(not even a feat ffs) clearly does NOT override all previous showings of a character. i can't believe that even has to be explained. [/B]
What was the context of those comments? Don't leave that out Leonidas............
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
No, I simple turned your own logic against you, and you hate when I do that ODG. Your whole point and ONLY point was that Thanos didn't budge Odin, but moved Tyrant, thus Odin is more powerful. I destroyed that theory by simply pointing out that Thaons was amped against Tyrant and not against Odin. Ya know, because Thanos viewed Tyratn as a legit threat and somebody he watned to challenge. He prepped for Tyrant got an amp to fight Tyrant. So of course that can explain why he moved him. However, to totally crush your theory, Thanos didnt' budge Odin but sent flying a well fed galactus. So then but your theory Odin > Galactus... WAIT... We all know that is the exact opposite of true. So how easy it was to destroy yoru ONLY proof that Odin is above Tyrant.This simple facts that can't be overcome in this debate is this... Thanos prepped for Tyrant.. acquired an amp to fight Tyrant... sought a fight with Tyrant... and in a much shorter period of time ADMITTED Tyrant was his superior and left. Against Odin... Thanos didn't prep.. didn't have an amp.. and yet in a much longer fight NEVER once admitted Odin was his superior and never once thought about backing down. We all know that is pretty easy to see how Thanos thought was more powerful, but to make matters worse and more clear.... A Thanos clone with minimal prep.. made Odin his ***** and forced to eat out of a straw... Thanos prepped for Tyrant and got an amp and he could do nothing but run from Tyrant aftetr feeling his power. That is how far apart Odin and Tyrant. are.
Shit, the same Thanos clone was ordering around Mangog like he was his *****, after makign Odin his *****. Problem is, that same guy Thanos was ordering around like a dog has made Odin his ***** to. Damn that's bad.
Your reasoning is a lot more reasonable and logical
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiThanos against Odin
1. Was seekign his help.. you clearly aren't going to try as hard to put somebody down you need their help on. Trying to get their attention.. trying to subdue them.. sure... but would never be with the same vigor as actually wanting a fight and SEEKING a fight.
2. Thanos didn't prep for his battle with Odin
3. Thanos didn't acquire an amp for his battle with Odin
4. Thanos never backed down.. never admitted Odin was his superior.. never admitted Odin could kill him..
5. Odin brought out a weapon to put Thanos downThanos against Tyrant
1. Thanos went looking for a fight with Tyrant to test his might
2. Thanos prepped and studied Tyrant looking for a weakness to exploit
3. Thanos acquired an amp to fight Tyrant
4. In a much shorter battle Thanos admitted that if he stayed Tyrant would kill him and proceded to leave.
5. Tyrant never brought out a single weapon to help put Thanos down.All of the above are indisputable facts that paint Tyrant as the stronger foe. Literally.. the ONLY thing that even points to even coming across as superior is the fact that THanos attacks didn't seem to have the same effect on Odin as they did on Tyrant. However, that is easily explained by Thanos being amped against Tyrant and not Odin.. and again Thanos not trying as hard since he wasn't even seeking a fight.
Galactus against Odin
1. Didn't even think of feeding on a planet ripe with nutrients , in fact, he choose a wasteland
2. Didn't even think about backing down from Odin nor even commenting that his battle with Odin with wreck much of anything
3. Galactus doesn't even know Odin very well and certainly not as well as he knows Tyrant.. and yet Odin was still beaten and beaten soundlyGalactus against Tyrant
1. Galactus sends his herald to find a planet ripe in nutrients. He proceeds to say he hasn't felt this strong in ages
2. Galactus DID back down from Tyrant when they met and said that too much woudl be destroyed if they fought. He was clearly weary of Tyrant and this was expressed via narration numerous times. He NEVER expressed concern about facing Odin
3. Galactus knows Tyrant IN and OUT.. he literally created him to be in his own image. Yet, he still got owned by Tyrant even still.
Perfect assessment, I'm proud of you son. 👆
One other thing about Tyrant needing more shots against the heralds, Tyrant 2 shorted a fresh Surfer as soon as he and Ganymede arrived at Tyrants fortress.Tyrant is fully capable of one shoting a herald if he goes beast mode and alters his body to produce talons like vs Galactus. He was just having fun with the heralds.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Also one of surfer's most humiliating "feats" occured just after his supposed amp i.e. BP armbarring him and threatening to rip his arm out. Not to mention Ravenous was stalemating him after his amp untill surfer killed his curr.
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Originally posted by abhilegend
Also one of surfer's most humiliating "feats" occured just after his supposed amp i.e. BP armbarring him and threatening to rip his arm out. Not to mention Ravenous was stalemating him after his amp untill surfer killed his curr.
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From the writer (McDuffie) himself:
"Read the scene again and this time pay attention. The Surfer allowed the Panther to "restrain" him in the hope of finding out what the FF was up to. A panel later, the Surfer's assistant blasts the Panther unconscious. The Surfer is irritated because he wanted the Panther to talk, which he thought he might do if the Panther believed he had the upper hand. Most of the people who ***** about this have only seen a scan of one page, or have poor reading comprehension skills."
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
2. Galactus DID back down from Tyrant when they met and said that too much woudl be destroyed if they fought. He was clearly weary of Tyrant and this was expressed via narration numerous times. He NEVER expressed concern about facing Odin
Check out the issues yourself. It's even more damning because Galactus went through a lot of trouble to resurrect Morg and that's why he was hell bent on reclaiming him. Yet he backed down when Tyrant REFUSED to hand him over. Silver Surfer even called him out on "appeasing a foe".
@Thanosi...
You stated the following:
"3. Galactus knows Tyrant IN and OUT.. he literally created him to be in his own image."
Yet despite knowing Tyrant "IN and OUT," Galactus somehow managed to forget Tyrants ENTIRE POWERSET when they fought (and to make it even worse, its all clearly stated and seen on panel)...
Thank you for admitting that Tyrant beating Galactus was one of the most PIS-ridden fights in the history of Marvel Comics...
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