Star Trek reboot vs. Star Trek original

Originally posted by quanchi112
Want to debate a battlezone with you repping Data versus my reboot Khan ? Lets see you accept a challenge for once.

Nope. I saw it at midnight and will see it again. Love the reboots unlike you original fans clinging to the past.

"For once"?

You do realise that I KNOW you're baiting me, right? You know I haven't seen the movie, but still want me to BZ?

I like the reboot fine. I actually watched the first Abrams movie yesterday. I don't have to gush all over them to like them.

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Nero's ship is impressive, but even as well as it did in the comic (which, funnily enough if you wanted it to win here, should have been included), it's not matching a borg cube.

red matter is weaker than people make it out to be. it destroyed a planet? sure, though it needed time. time that could be used to navigate away from the singularity.

even detonating all of the red matter at once created a black hole that the enterprise could still escape, so it's not going to shift the tide of battle.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Neros ship looked far better on screen. Different universes so progression is different.

Now thank you for illuminating your Trekkie ignorance, fairweather fan.

Nero's ship came back from the 'standard' time-line, dummy. As did older Spock. The slight advanced different tech progression is for the alt time-line only, due to the Narada's involvement. You really know nothing 🙂

You don't even know the basics, why I have to hold your hand and always explain ST to you, bandwagon-boy. You have no answer for The Scimitar; that's just one ship 🙂

Originally posted by Robtard
Nero's ship came back from the 'standard' time-line, dummy. As did older Spock. The slight advanced different tech progression is for the alt time-line only, due to the Narada's involvement. You really know nothing 🙂

You don't even know the basics, why I have to hold your hand and always explain ST to you, bandwagon-boy. You have no answer for The Scimitar; that's just one ship 🙂

No, I clearly know but you want to ignore feats. Biased.

Originally posted by -Pr-
"For once"?

You do realise that I KNOW you're baiting me, right? You know I haven't seen the movie, but still want me to BZ?

I like the reboot fine. I actually watched the first Abrams movie yesterday. I don't have to gush all over them to like them.

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Nero's ship is impressive, but even as well as it did in the comic (which, funnily enough if you wanted it to win here, should have been included), it's not matching a borg cube.

red matter is weaker than people make it out to be. it destroyed a planet? sure, though it needed time. time that could be used to navigate away from the singularity.

even detonating all of the red matter at once created a black hole that the enterprise could still escape, so it's not going to shift the tide of battle.

This is the movie forum and its against the rules. Yes, it is due to superior feats and portrayal on screen than Borg Cube.

One stopped a super nova and the Enterprise wasn't as close as other ship thus it escaped.

The battlezone wouldn't take place until it was out on DVD and the clips were posted on YouTube.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I have never seen you do a battlezone.

This is the movie forum and its against the rules. Yes, it is due to superior feats and portrayal on screen than Borg Cube.

One stopped a super nova and the Enterprise wasn't as close as other ship thus it escaped.

The battlezone wouldn't take place until it was out on DVD and the clips were posted on YouTube.

So?

it's just funny, is all, because the Nerada's best feats are in the comic, and would actually help your argument. I saw nothing on screen that made it superior to a borg cube. it has no feats to suggest it is either. beating up some old Starfleet ships isn't really that impressive compared to the cube. especially the cube from first contact, which was taking on almost thirty top of the line, 24th century ships. what feats does the Nerada have that make you think it could take a cube?

neither example contradicts what I said.

at that point I might be interested, unless I actually think khan could take data. then it would be redundant.

Originally posted by -Pr-
So?

it's just funny, is all, because the Nerada's best feats are in the comic, and would actually help your argument. I saw nothing on screen that made it superior to a borg cube. it has no feats to suggest it is either. beating up some old Starfleet ships isn't really that impressive compared to the cube. especially the cube from first contact, which was taking on almost thirty top of the line, 24th century ships. what feats does the Nerada have that make you think it could take a cube?

neither example contradicts what I said.

at that point I might be interested, unless I actually think khan could take data. then it would be redundant.

Well, if you disagree then let's do it. When do you plan on seeing it ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
If you think you can put me in my place here's your chance. The Borg cube didn't do anything special to me in that flick. Dominated 40+ Klingon warbirds iirc. Sheer size, portrayal, feats, and formidability in this film.

Well, if you disagree then let's do it. When do you plan on seeing it ?

It dominated ships that were a century less advanced. The Borg cube took on ships far more advanced than those warbirds, and was winning.

When I can afford to. If I get work this week, maybe by the weekend.

Originally posted by -Pr-
It dominated ships that were a century less advanced. The Borg cube took on ships far more advanced than those warbirds, and was winning.

When I can afford to. If I get work this week, maybe by the weekend.

Ok, let me know ASAP. As soon as this comes to blu ray I want to plan on a Khan debate.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, but everything changed in the regular timeline from this moment on aka Kirks dad, etc. Also superior feats on screen than your hype ship.

No, I clearly know but you want to ignore feats. Biased.

Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong and wrong, the regular time-line (Shatner Kirk, Picard etc) is fine and unchanged. The new Star Trek takes place in an alternative time-line that is separate from year 2233 onward. Watch Star Trek 2009 🙂

Nothing Kirk's Enterprise did is superior to The Borg or even The Scimitar. It's still close to a century behind in tech despite the alt time-line tech boost. *spoilers ahead* They can't even transport someone that's running and they just discovered how to fight at warp; that just one ship they have that can do so too. 23rd century would be at the mercy to just about any 24th century ship shooting at them while at warp. <--- you have no real counter for this either 🙂 cry more.

You know next to nothing of the OS and TNG flicks, you demonstrate this constantly. You even just epic gaffed on the new one, badwagon-boy.

Originally posted by Robtard
Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong and wrong, the regular time-line (Shatner Kirk, Picard etc) is fine and unchanged. The new Star Trek takes place in an alternative time-line that is separate from year 2233 onward. Watch Star Trek 2009 🙂

Nothing Kirk's Enterprise did is superior to The Borg or even The Scimitar. It's still close to a century behind in tech despite the alt time-line tech boost. *spoilers ahead* They can't even transport someone that's running and they just discovered how to fight at warp; that just one ship they have that can do so too. 23rd century would be at the mercy to just about any 24th century ship shooting at them while at warp. <--- you have no real counter for this either 🙂 cry more.

You know next to nothing of the OS and TNG flicks, you demonstrate this constantly. You even just epic gaffed on the new one, badwagon-boy.

False. Narada ship takes on futuristic ships and they have red matter which tears ships in half and can defeat a super nova. As great as the tech from future gets is the red matter and guess which universe has it. 😂

No, you just pretend I have never seen it but refuse to battlezone me out of fear.

Reboot, hard.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I know since there are two alternate realities created by Nero and Spock traveling back. Regular time line is also much slower and has less impressive feats.

False. Narada ship takes on futuristic ships and they have red matter which tears ships in half and can defeat a super nova. As great as the tech from future gets is the red matter and guess which universe has it. 😂

No, you just pretend I have never seen it but refuse to battlezone me out of fear.

Reboot, hard.

😂 You know now, cos I just explained it to you how it all worked out. Just a post before you claimed shit changed in the regular time-line. "but everything changed in the regular timeline" - you

WRONG AGAIN. The Narada did not take on any "futuristic ships". It took on 23rd century ships and old Spock's ship, which is from the same century as the Narada. See, you didn't even pay attention to the films you claim to love. You're also ignoring that old Spock's ship is from the regular time-line, so they have that tech too, as it's theirs, doh.

You clearly have not seen the OS and TNG films as you consistently show you know next to nothing of them and are now showing you barely grasped the new films, bandwagon-boy.

Go watch Star Trek 2009 again, you're failing that one too 🙂

Originally posted by Robtard
😂 You know now, cos I just explained it to you how it all worked out. Just a post before you claimed shit changed in the regular time-line. "but everything changed in the regular timeline" - you

WRONG AGAIN. The Narada did not take on any "futuristic ships". It took on 23rd century ships and old Spock's ship, which is from the same century as the Narada. See, you didn't even pay attention to the films you claim to love. You're also ignoring that old Spock's ship is from the regular time-line, so they have that tech too, as it's theirs, doh.

You clearly have not seen the OS and TNG films as you consistently show you know next to nothing of them and are now showing you barely grasped the new films, bandwagon-boy.

Go watch Star Trek 2009 again, you're failing that one too 🙂

Took on 40+ Klingons easily, Kelvin ship, Enterprise, etc. Spocks ship was small and nothing compared to Neros. Of course it was futuristic since Spock is from the future. Of course you come in and state the obvious while lying about my intentions.

Yes, I do. You can cry all you want about their lackluster feats. Reason Star Trek is watchable is J.J. Changed it to be more like Star Wars. More action and interesting plots. Reboot huge fan.

I grasped it you didn't. Red Matter most superior thing we have seen from any Star Trek so yeah that is in reboots favor. Bye Borg Cube.

IMO Nero's ship wihtout the red matter could destroy a cube. With the red matter, unstoppable.

Which ship do you think is stronger Quan the Juggernaut from Into the Darkness or Nero's ship? WHich would win in a battle without red matter.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It changed their timeline not the regular one. Alternate reality which is far superior to shitty first one save Spock.

Took on 40+ Klingons easily, Kelvin ship, Enterprise, etc. Spocks ship was small and nothing compared to Neros. Of course it was futuristic since Spock is from the future. Of course you come in and state the obvious while lying about my intentions.

Yes, I do. You can cry all you want about their lackluster feats. Reason Star Trek is watchable is J.J. Changed it to be more like Star Wars. More action and interesting plots. Reboot huge fan.

I grasped it you didn't. Red Matter most superior thing we have seen from any Star Trek so yeah that is in reboots favor. Bye Borg Cube.

😂 Now you're pretending you had it correct all along and I didn't have to explain it clearly to you. Qaunchi tactics at work 🙂

"but everything changed in the regular timeline" -Quanchi

The alt time-line is still about a century behind. Inferior transporters, no holodeck, no replicators, one ship that can fight while at warp etc. <--- keep dodging all of this, it's telling 🙂

😂 Another pretend like you didn't just claim the Narada took on "futuristic ships" and that I didn't have to explain it all to you again.

"False. Narada ship takes on futuristic ships"- Quanchi

TNG film feats you can't counter, cos you have no real knowledge 🙂

And a "no you!" retort. You clearly didn't grasp the plots of Star Trek 2009, as I've just had to explain the alt time-line basics, that the Narada didn't fight "futuristic ships" and that the red matter is from the regular [future] time-line, so they'd have that tech, as it originate theirs future time-line 🙂

Originally posted by Supra
IMO Nero's ship wihtout the red matter could destroy a cube. With the red matter, unstoppable.

Which ship do you think is stronger Quan the Juggernaut from Into the Darkness or Nero's ship? WHich would win in a battle without red matter.

23rd century Enterprise was able to resist the super massive black-hole. 24th century Borg cube, does as well. Or it just travels back in time and stomps the alt time-line that way.

Originally posted by Supra
IMO Nero's ship wihtout the red matter could destroy a cube. With the red matter, unstoppable.

Which ship do you think is stronger Quan the Juggernaut from Into the Darkness or Nero's ship? WHich would win in a battle without red matter.

The red matter was such a bad ass weapon. I also liked Nero as a villain. He reminded me more of original Khan how they are both consumed with revenge albeit on different people. Original Khan was so whiny to me though. He also looked stupid as hell.

Originally posted by Robtard
23rd century Enterprise was able to resist the super massive black-hole. 24th century Borg cube, does as well.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Not to the point of Neros ships domination. The Vubes defenses were laughable on board IMO.

Ok, let me know ASAP. As soon as this comes to blu ray I want to plan on a Khan debate.

nero didn't dominate to the level the borg cube did. the borg cube fought more powerful enemies (this is actual FACT), and was winning until the enterprise cracked their code.

Nero's ship got disabled by a damaged USS Kelvin.

Originally posted by -Pr-
nero didn't dominate to the level the borg cube did. the borg cube fought more powerful enemies (this is actual FACT), and was winning until the enterprise cracked their code.

Nero's ship got disabled by a damaged USS Kelvin.

Narada easily withstood it and showed massive superiority despite Kirks daring action.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It resisted the pull but because it wasn't dropped on it. Just like Neros ship wasn't destroyed until red matter was dropped on it. Think, man.

So now all the 24th century fleet of ships are going to get red matter dropped on them? 😂 Think man indeed.