Khan vs. Darth Vader (pre suit)

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Below is a post of really good rebuttals. (You saying anyone else debating against Khan here is trolling is just a troll response battling with those who you want to troll) :

Jango and Slave 1 AND Boba at the controls tag teaming would have given anyone a run for their money epecially in that environment Obi-Wan did fine..

He has more gadgets, but not necessarily more resourceful.
Jango nicked a ship and relied on armour:
Khan BUILT a massive near galaxy class battleship in one relaity, lured in another top fed ship and stole that with an awseome plan in the other and screwed the federation with cunning, resourceful plans. Twice.

A resourceful guy would have had a better jetpack.

/Your argument

Resourceful: "Having the ability to find clever ways to overcome difficulties."

A difficulty that is not prepared for is different than simply being an engineer: building a ship over a year or two is not necessarily resourceful. Possessing superior reflexes and strength is not resourceful, either: killing Klingons with a surprise attack with your superior physical abilities is mildly resourceful but it does not quite characterize resourcefulness.

Battling a Jedi Master with no force abilities, without knowing you would be attacked, and actually escaping with all limbs intact is resourceful. He used all weapons at his disposal and he barely escaped with his life: that's quite resourceful.

Obi-Wan didn't do just fine: he did spectacularly. It is a testament of Obi-Wan's abilities as a Jedi: he's pretty badass to take on someone as resourceful as Jango.

His Jetpack was crushed by a rhino-beast thingie: not much he could have done, there. But I agree: he should have a better jetpack.

I would agree with you about Khan if you just replaced "Khan" with "Kirk" or "Scotty". Scotty was the resourceful one in that situation: not Khan. Khan didn't have some sort of master or elaborate plan. His plan amounted to: "Well, shit, we're all fuucked. But if I can get about the dreadnaught ship, I can fuuck it up because I HELPED build and design it." Also, he would not have made it to that ship without Kirk's resourcefulness. 😄

Someone remind me why a lightsaber can't block the big gun, please.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Someone remind me why a lightsaber can't block the big gun, please.

because apparently the lightsaber's only weakness is bullets!!! clown

Originally posted by dadudemon
Resourceful: "Having the ability to find clever ways to overcome difficulties."

A difficulty that is not prepared for is different than simply being an engineer: building a ship over a year or two is not necessarily resourceful. Possessing superior reflexes and strength is not resourceful, either: killing Klingons with a surprise attack with your superior physical abilities is mildly resourceful but it does not quite characterize resourcefulness.

Khan's adaptiveness was not in question.
Getting a meeting called gathering his enemies on one place by getting that guy doing that bombing, allowing him to do a hit on his enemies gathered in one place THEN having a transwarp transporter built into his attack ship beaming him to Kronos to evade capture was pretty damned resourceful.
As was the torpedo/crew smuggling thing.

Battling a Jedi Master with no force abilities, without knowing you would be attacked, and actually escaping with all limbs intact is resourceful. He used all weapons at his disposal and he barely escaped with his life: that's quite resourceful.

I would agree with you about Khan if you just replaced "Khan" with "Kirk" or "Scotty". Scotty was the resourceful one in that situation: not Khan.

A difficulty that is not prepared for is different than simply being an engineer: building a ship over a year or two is not necessarily resourceful.

😂

Khan didn't have some sort of master or elaborate plan. His plan amounted to: "Well, shit, we're all fuucked. But if I can get about the dreadnaught ship, I can fuuck it up because I HELPED build and design it." Also, he would not have made it to that ship without Kirk's resourcefulness. 😄

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Someone remind me why a lightsaber can't block the big gun, please.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Khan's adaptiveness was not in question.
Getting a meeting called gathering his enemies on one place by getting that guy doing that bombing, allowing him to do a hit on his enemies gathered in one place THEN having a transwarp transporter built into his attack ship beaming him to Kronos to evade capture was pretty damned resourceful.
As was the torpedo/crew smuggling thing.

Oh, you mean when a genius had several months if not his entire waking cycle to make his plan when he was violently coerced to help the Federation?

Tell me more how this matches up to the instant resourceful of Jango against one of the most powerful Jedi Masters in the Order?

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Not all weapons. Seismic charges, slave 1 missiles and poisonous slugs undeployed at that time.
😛

Touché.

But he already used up his poisonous chilopods on Padme and the seismic charges would have killed everyone.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Not ALL that resourceful, compared to Khan.
(whom is in turn arguably not as resourceful as Anakin/Vader)

We should then probably not squabble over the small stuff because we agree on the end outcome.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
He could have built a pack that a pike or any other accidental concussive knock couldn't accidentally trigger fatally, if he were really resourceful.

Dammit, Sadako, Jango is a retired bounty hunter, not an engineer.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Kirk played right into his hands. Khan achieved his objectives.

You're right. Oh wait, you're not:

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TMDR

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
TMDR

You're "Too mad didn't read"? 🙁

Oh well, you'll get them next time, mate.

Too Much Dadudea-Rambling 😛

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Too Much Dadudea-Rambling 😛

I'll have to remember that agreeing with you causes you to stop responding. 😄

Well not everyone is as last word orientated as the lipstick posse..

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Yes. More tears from you.

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Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Someone remind me why a lightsaber can't block the big gun, please.

ddm there are many free resources online to shrink web images

Originally posted by quanchi112
No limits fallacy, bro.

which is exactly what you keep committing by suggesting khans' gun wins. you godawful clown.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yeah Ok. I'll give this one to you. Enjoy my one-of screw up.

He was never shot himself. And of course he survived. Him and Yoda were taking out dozens of troopers later with ease.

The friends didn't exactly help when the Troopers were shooting at him.

Yoda wasn't even looking at the Troopers who shot at him from behind! Yes context certainly is our friend.

Are Jango's weapons inferior? Are you forgetting he had a missile and aid from his damn ship!

Is this a joke now? Coleman Trebor is the Jedi who got shot down by Jango. He was concentrating on surprise attacking Dooku when Jango started attacking him. And he's certianly no Skywalker/Vader.

Order 66 was an ambush. And failed against the best Jedi anyway.

The area he was in was shot and he felt the effects of the blast. Yes, they did take out clones the two of them together are more formidable than a band of clones.

There were two clones and he killed them. He sensed it right before they attacked and easily killed them. Just clones, bro. His situation Wasnt comparable to the other ones where they were overwhelmed. Obi was lucky to have survived the fall.

Yes, they are. Khan's weapons wrecked a Klingon ship. Definitely superior to Jango. Minimal aid. Why can't he use his weapons since Obi attacked him ?

Obi failed to stop him. Skill matters. Both were all over each other Ina back and forth matchup showing a skilled bounty hunter is definitely a challenge for an accomplished Jedi.

I never said he was but he Wasnt fast enough to block Jango. That was clear quit making excuses for Jedi. Order 66 wrecked them.

No, Yoda was attacked by two and the circumstances favored Yoda. Obi was shot down so one Jedi survived on his own skill but due to the circumstances.

Originally posted by Robtard
The screen caps > you. The film > you. Having seen it allegedly 3 times per your claim, you should know Khan has missed.

So this is where you pretend you didn't just chastise me for for saying Khan disarmed Spock and now you knew all along. Same tired tactics, moving on.

Correct, already said that I was wrong. Khan didn't grab Spock's gun as I claimed. Khan did kick it away when he kicked Spock though. You should try admitting when you're wrong, instead of dodging and dancing, it would make friendlier debates.

Are you implying that Khan's just going to disarm Vader? If so. See: 😂

Incorrect twice. Vader's Force enhancements are for the most part superior to Khan's genetic enhancements. Vader's faster, more agile and stronger using the Force. Vader's the Jedi killer; he has the feats to back up that claim, bandwagon-boi.

I did because you were wrong. I was right. You admitted it. Move on.

We were discussing the Klingon scene so no I wasn't wrong.

When I'm wrong I admit it. You are just frequently wrong.

George Lucas said its an ongoing joke the Jedi lose their light sabers all the time. Canon. They usually always lose their sabers. George Lucas set it up that way. Shoot the handle off his hand like he did so with Spock.

Vader isn't faster. Vader isn't smarter. Vader isn't more skilled. Vader isn't stronger. Vader isn't as durable.

Vader killed younglings and featless wonders with the aid of thousands of clone troopers. Awesome. Obi wrecked him. Anakin is the crybaby.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
which is exactly what you keep committing by suggesting khans' gun wins. you godawful clown.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Screen caps aren't proof. You can keep pounding your chest about it. Khan never missed.

I did because you were wrong. I was right. You admitted it. Move on.

We were discussing the Klingon scene so no I wasn't wrong.

When I'm wrong I admit it. You are just frequently wrong.

George Lucas said its an ongoing joke the Jedi lose their light sabers all the time. Canon. They usually always lose their sabers. George Lucas set it up that way. Shoot the handle off his hand like he did so with Spock.

Vader isn't faster. Vader isn't smarter. Vader isn't more skilled. Vader isn't stronger. Vader isn't as durable.

Vader killed younglings and featless wonders with the aid of thousands of clone troopers. Awesome. Obi wrecked him. Anakin is the crybaby.

More rants filled with dodging, dancing, lying and the worst of all crying. In lieu of going around in circles over and over, I'll just do this here as well, since you felt the need to make two identical threads so you can ignore that you were crushed and repeat your fails in the clone thread, bandwagon-boi

http://starwars.com/watch/the_clone_wars_cristophsis.html does this to your ranting arguments 🙂 Cry more now.

Originally posted by Robtard
More rants filled with dodging, dancing, lying and the worst of all crying. In lieu of going around in circles over and over, I'll just do this here as well, since you felt the need to make two identical threads so you can ignore that you were crushed and repeat your fails in the clone thread, bandwagon-boi

http://starwars.com/watch/the_clone_wars_cristophsis.html does this to your ranting arguments 🙂 Cry more now.