Khan vs. Darth Vader (pre suit)

Originally posted by quanchi112
Hes highly skilled in hand to hand combat, with a gun, and war tactics yet you compare him to Forest Gump. 😂

You know Vader loses. Accept it like it a man and move on.

So skilled at war tactics that he didnt even scan what he beamed up... 72 torpedos.... Scotty was much smarter, having nearly quit when the load was brought on board Enterprise.

Wow for a guy wanking about Star Treks XI and XII with such fervour, you sure don't seem to know much about them.

Vader wins. Accept it.

This thread is about Khan vs Vader, not Obi Wan...do try and keep up.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
acknowledging facts is for sissies and chumps. if you cant take the heat you better get out of the clown car, son.

and furthermore:

😂

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
So skilled at war tactics that he didnt even scan what he beamed up... 72 torpedos.... Scotty was much smarter, having nearly quit when the load was brought on board Enterprise.

In Khan's defense, he had no way of knowing. It was Kirk, iirc, that revealed that the torps had people in them. Khan, again, iirc, was told by robo-cop that robocop had killed all of his people.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
So skilled at war tactics that he didnt even scan what he beamed up... 72 torpedos.... Scotty was much smarter, having nearly quit when the load was brought on board Enterprise.

Wow for a guy wanking about Star Treks XI and XII with such fervour, you sure don't seem to know much about them.

Vader wins. Accept it.

Reboot Star Treks 1 and 2. I seem to know more than you do since you think Khan is comparable to Forest Gump.

Khan wins, easily. I have accepted it as should you.

Originally posted by Silent Master
This thread is about Khan vs Vader, not Obi Wan...do try and keep up.

Originally posted by dadudemon
[B]Quanchi, talk to me for a bit.

Why does Khan win?

Vader has shown speed that exceeds any speed or reaction feats from Khan.

Khan wins the durability department.

Khan wins the brains department.

Also debatable..
Khan's feat: Building stuff. Being able to formulate a plan and rule.

Anakin built stuff all the time. Made plans. Ruled a lot. Also wasn't outwitted by an Engine room guy.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
You didn't know Obi beat Vader. I should have known.

This thread isn't about Obi Wan, try and keep up.

Originally posted by Silent Master
This thread isn't about Obi Wan, try and keep up.

Originally posted by dadudemon
In Khan's defense, he had no way of knowing. It was Kirk, iirc, that revealed that the torps had people in them. Khan, again, iirc, was told by robo-cop that robocop had killed all of his people.

When. Khan was well aware of his crew being frozen/alive IIRC
He sought to rescue them from Robocop's clutches by hiding their freezer units in the torpedos and Robocop got wind of it and tried to use them as ammo with which to start war with the Klingons was the gist, again, IIRC.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You forgot you posted this ?

What lunacy are you ranting about now?

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
What lunacy are you ranting about now?

Originally posted by quanchi112
we are using all feats here. Khan wins. Easily destroys Obi Wan's *****.

This thread is about Vader, not Obi Wan; try and keep up.

Originally posted by Silent Master
This thread is about Vader, not Obi Wan; try and keep up.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Facts support me as does common sense.

He fights and dies.

It's canon. Quit picking and choosing what Anakin feats count and which ones you ignore.

It's a fact. 🙂

The facts are you posted from wookiepedia to support your claim and the very same wookieepedia article proves you wrong:

"G-canon is George Lucas Canon; the six Episodes and any statements by George Lucas (including unpublished production notes from him or his production department that are never seen by the public). Elements originating with Lucas in the movie novelizations, reference books, and other sources are also G-canon, though anything created by the authors of those sources is C-canon. When the matter of changes between movie versions arises, the most recently released editions are deemed superior to older ones, as they correct mistakes, improve consistency between the two trilogies, and express Lucas's current vision of the Star Wars universe most closely. The deleted scenes included on the DVDs are also considered G-canon (when they're not in conflict with the movie).[1]"

What has George Lucas had to say about The Clones Wars:

"I haven’t limited myself with what stories I’ve wanted to tell; This is Star Wars, and I don’t make a distinction between [Clone Wars] and the films," - George Lucas

You also blatantly lied when you claimed George Lucas said the 2008 film isn't canon. As you've yet to produce proof. But continue your shameless antics cos that's better than manning up to being wrong in your eyes.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Revenge of the Sith. Please watch it ASAP and get back to me.

How does ROTS make this a Khan vs Obi Wan thread?

Originally posted by quanchi112
we are using all feats here. Khan wins. Easily destroys Obi Wan's *****.

This thread is about Vader, not Obi Wan; try and keep up.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Debatable.
Didn't see Khan fighting an Ep III length duel, the clone wars,
surviving a couple of hundred feet drop onto a moving car, having an arm cut off, (no prob, bung on a robot limb et voila) or surviving total burns to the body internally and externally, surviving death itself.

I don't see it as debatable. Kirk punched him over and over in the face and he didn't do much at all but flinch. No damage could be seen.

It took a raging Spock, who is definitively superior to humans in strength and reflexes without raging, to put some damage on Khan.

Anakin doing those things accomplished them with the force: his skin itself is not more durable.

HOWEVER!!!!!!!

That one scene where he drops in Ep II and grabs on to the speeder as it flies by? That requires a shit ton of more grip strength than it did McClane grabbing the vent when he fell a few flights down the shaft and McClane's gripping feat is comfortably into the superstrength department (albeit, still low-level super strength for McClane, but super strength, none-the-less).

I'm going to say that Anakin, based on screen feats, is definitively stronger than Khan and by a significant margin. Khan has nothing close to Anakin's "grab a speeder as it flies by" feat.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Also debatable..
Khan's feat: Building stuff. Being able to formulate a plan and rule.

He's supposed to have an IQ over 200, right? And that's in a future where people are smarter n'stuff. Anakin also built a protocol droid as an 8-year old, snot nosed, whiny brat. A protocol droid that has over 6 million forms of communication. He also built the fastest pod-racer in existence at the same snot-nose age.

So, yes, I agree with you in the smarts department. I forgot that the boy version of Anakin was stupid smart. Khan used existing technologies from the Federation to build the dreadnaught class. He just threw on more weapons and made it bigger.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Anakin built stuff all the time. Made plans. Ruled a lot. Also wasn't outwitted by an Engine room guy.

Hey, now, Scotty is one of the most intelligent and resourceful engineers in Starfleet history: hardly a fair comparison to Khan. 🙂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Revenge of the Sith. Please watch it ASAP and get back to me.

Ahhhhh you mean the Lightsabre fight that Obi Wan was dominated in speedwise, strengthwise 'til he got lucky, you mean..?

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Ahhhhh you mean the Lightsabre fight that Obi Wan was dominated in speedwise, strengthwise 'til he got lucky, you mean..?

This is something people like to forget about that duel. Anakin was pretty much driving Obi Wan back the entire time. It wasn't until Anakin got waaaaaaaaaay too cocky that he lost the duel.