Originally posted by dadudemon
I don't see it as debatable. Kirk punched him over and over in the face and he didn't do much at all but flinch. No damage could be seen.
I didn't say Khan was totally undurable
It took a raging Spock, who is definitively superior to humans in strength and reflexes without raging, to put some damage on Khan.
Accepted.
Anakin doing those things accomplished them with the force: his skin itself is not more durable.HOWEVER!!!!!!!
That one scene where he drops in Ep II and grabs on to the speeder as it flies by? That requires a shit ton of more grip strength than it did McClane grabbing the vent when he fell a few flights down the shaft and McClane's gripping feat is comfortably into the superstrength department (albeit, still low-level super strength for McClane, but super strength, none-the-less).
I'm going to say that Anakin, based on screen feats, is definitively stronger than Khan and by a significant margin. Khan has nothing close to Anakin's "grab a speeder as it flies by" feat.
He's supposed to have an IQ over 200, right? And that's in a future where people are smarter n'stuff. Anakin also built a protocol droid as an 8-year old, snot nosed, whiny brat. A protocol droid that has over 6 million forms of communication. He also built the fastest pod-racer in existence at the same snot-nose age.
So, yes, I agree with you in the smarts department. I forgot that the boy version of Anakin was stupid smart. Khan used existing technologies from the Federation to build the dreadnaught class. He just threw on more weapons and made it bigger.
Hey, now, Scotty is one of the most intelligent and resourceful engineers in Starfleet history: hardly a fair comparison to Khan. 🙂
Originally posted by RobtardYes, and that clearly says the series is t canon. Thanks for proving me right. I also cited creator of Star Wars Clone Wars movie.
The facts are you posted from wookiepedia to support your claim and the very same wookieepedia article proves you wrong:"G-canon is George Lucas Canon; the six Episodes [b]and any statements by George Lucas (including unpublished production notes from him or his production department that are never seen by the public)
. Elements originating with Lucas in the movie novelizations, reference books, and other sources are also G-canon, though anything created by the authors of those sources is C-canon. When the matter of changes between movie versions arises, the most recently released editions are deemed superior to older ones, as they correct mistakes, improve consistency between the two trilogies, and express Lucas's current vision of the Star Wars universe most closely. The deleted scenes included on the DVDs are also considered G-canon (when they're not in conflict with the movie).[1]"What has George Lucas had to say about The Clones Wars:
"I haven’t limited myself with what stories I’ve wanted to tell; This is Star Wars, and I don’t make a distinction between [Clone Wars] and the films," - George Lucas
You also blatantly lied when you claimed George Lucas said the 2008 film isn't canon. As you've yet to produce proof. But continue your shameless antics cos that's better than manning up to being wrong in your eyes. [/B]
Not arguable. Your tattling made sure of that. Continuity buff and Lucas sold his rights.
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Khan wins and quit harping on being wrong. I expect it from you.
Originally posted by Sadako of GirthYes, the fight in which the clearly out skilled Obi ended up winning. That hurts your case more than anything. He lost to someone he was superior to. Thanks for the assist.
Ahhhhh you mean the Lightsabre fight that Obi Wan was dominated in speedwise, strengthwise 'til he got lucky, you mean..?
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
When. Khan was well aware of his crew being frozen/alive IIRC
He sought to rescue them from Robocop's clutches by hiding their freezer units in the torpedos and Robocop got wind of it and tried to use them as ammo with which to start war with the Klingons was the gist, again, IIRC.
I have seen the movie once so I could be wrong. But I could have sworn Khan told Kirk that Admiral Marcus (Robocop) told Khan that he killed all of his people. Or maybe it was a threat of killing them all?
It was something about that.
Oh, I remember: he threatened Khan by telling him he would kill his crew if he didn't do X (this was after he was nicely approached). So Khan rebelled eventually. So then he assumed that his people were killed by Admiral Alexander Marcus due to his rebellion because that was a threat. So he was operating under the assumption that all his people were killed because he rebelled. Then he spoke that line to Kirk, that was something like, "Wouldn't you fight for all of your crew, too?"
But I am conflicted because Khan also said to look into the torps. Kirk did...revealed to have people in them. So Khan knew that people were in the torps the whole time?
So this goes back to your original point: if Khan knew his people were in the torps...what now?
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
A Raging half human.
Call me back when Spock does anything remotely Data-like.
I suggest, based on screen feats, that Spock is stronger than a regular Vulcan due to his half-human side.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Accepted.
People: this is how normal adults have a debate: concessions are made and people move on instead of dragging out arguments for pages. Take notes. 😐
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, the fight in which the clearly out skilled Obi ended up winning. That hurts your case more than anything. He lost to someone he was superior to. Thanks for the assist.
Originally posted by dadudemon
This is something people like to forget about that duel. Anakin was pretty much driving Obi Wan back the entire time. It wasn't until Anakin got waaaaaaaaaay too cocky that he lost the duel.
Originally posted by dadudemon
This is something people like to forget about that duel. Anakin was pretty much driving Obi Wan back the entire time. It wasn't until Anakin got waaaaaaaaaay too cocky that he lost the duel.
Originally posted by quanchi112 Yes, the fight in which the clearly out skilled Obi ended up winning. That hurts your case more than anything. He lost to someone he was superior to. Thanks for the assist.
Wait, quan is now actually arguing that Khan wins because he’s inferior to Vader?
Well, at least he admits that Vader > Khan.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He had more than enough time to win. He didn't. Obi took the high ground effectively winning the fight. Anakin is overconfident to the point of it being a detriment to him.
Obi Wan had a stupid-good defense that Anakin could not break through. This is in addition to knowing everything about anakin. It was only a matter of time before Anakin broke through that nigh-impenetrable defense and cut Obi Wan down, however.
...until he got Cocky.
Anakin was also younger and at his peak physical condition: Obi Wan was waning, by this point.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, the fight in which the clearly out skilled Obi ended up winning. That hurts your case more than anything. He lost to someone he was superior to. Thanks for the assist.
The luckiest son of a b!tch in that Universe.
Its just Obiwan being a trump card up his ass the whole time.
the force pimping his outcomes, along with experience (that he'd later catch up on.)
Cry more. 🙂
By your faulty logic, Khan could probably be beaten by a simple delivery guy.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, and that clearly says the series is t canon. Thanks for proving me right. I also cited creator of Star Wars Clone Wars movie.Not arguable. Your tattling made sure of that. Continuity buff and Lucas sold his rights.
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Khan wins and quit harping on being wrong. I expect it from you.
It clearly says that "any statements" from George Lucas are (G) canon. No amount of flips will change that fact.
Your own wookieepedia source proves you wrong. Should have read more closely, though I suspect you did and it's the reason why you refused to link. Really dishonest tactic, imo.
George Lucas > you.
Originally posted by Robtard
It clearly says that "any statements" from George Lucas are (G) canon. No amount of flips will change that fact.Your own wookieepedia source proves you wrong. Should have read more closely, though I suspect you did and it's the reason why you refused to link. Really dishonest tactic, imo.
George Lucas > you.
another self-owning from the wiki-chimp.
get madder
Originally posted by dadudemonHe had more than enough time and however likely it's still speculative.
Obi Wan had a stupid-good defense that Anakin could not break through. This is in addition to knowing everything about anakin. It was only a matter of time before Anakin broke through that nigh-impenetrable defense and cut Obi Wan down, however....until he got Cocky.
Anakin was also younger and at his peak physical condition: Obi Wan was waning, by this point.
Yes, but he already lost IMO prior to getting cocky when he gave up the higher ground.
Yes, Anakins prime was truly over before it truly began.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Obi Wan had a stupid-good defense that Anakin could not break through. This is in addition to knowing everything about anakin. It was only a matter of time before Anakin broke through that nigh-impenetrable defense and cut Obi Wan down, however....until he got Cocky.
Anakin was also younger and at his peak physical condition: Obi Wan was waning, by this point.
Exactly, Vader was the aggressor and he it could be said he was extra emotional and cocky cos it was Obi, someone he allowed himself to believe was keeping him down for years and years.
Originally posted by RobtardClearly says t canon. No, it's clearly organized and Lucas sold the rights anyways.
It clearly says that "any statements" from George Lucas are (G) canon. No amount of flips will change that fact.Your own wookieepedia source proves you wrong. Should have read more closely, though I suspect you did and it's the reason why you refused to link. Really dishonest tactic, imo.
George Lucas > you.
No longer owns the rights.
Lee>>you. Lee is the man behind continuity. That's his job.
Originally posted by RobtardHe was emotional against Dooku as well. That's the thing with the Sith they channel their anger. Quit making excuses for Vader just because you really like him.
Exactly, Vader was the aggressor and he it could be said he was extra emotional and cocky cos it was Obi, someone he allowed himself to believe was keeping him down for years and years.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Clearly says t canon. No, it's clearly organized and Lucas sold the rights anyways.No longer owns the rights.
Lee>>you. Lee is the man behind continuity. That's his job.
Clearly says George Lucas > all others. This is from your own source.
Don't you mean Chee? 😂 And that 'all statements from George Lucas' part is from Chee; under the Holocron section, the same part you sourced from. So clearly, Chee > you too.