Originally posted by RobtardTheir abilities are clearly different. We see Kirk against Khan as proof of that both in terms of durability and overall skill. If you watched the heinous fight between Kirk in the episode then you know exactly what I am talking about.
We're talking about abilities, obviously the two have different life experiences or there wouldn't be two timelines and the entire premise of JJ's movies. But it's nice of you to try and flip it to something else as per your MO when you're proven wrong.You're not seen the ep or likely any ToS episodes. That's blatantly obvious.
I have. But that's your thing.
Khan has lived through entirely different experiences from original and reboot making them different Khans.
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Originally posted by quanchi112
Their abilities are clearly different. We see Kirk against Khan as proof of that both in terms of durability and overall skill. If you watched the heinous fight between Kirk in the episode then you know exactly what I am talking about.I have. But that's your thing.
Khan has lived through entirely different experiences from original and reboot making them different Khans.
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Yet it's the same character at the base, if you understood the dynamics of the timeline split, you'd know this. Frozen Khan didn't suddenly get extra powers just because the Narada went back and created a split. Stop being silly.
Nah, you clearly stated everything wrong about the Kirk/Khan fight.
The majority of Khan's life has been the same. He was likely born sometime in the 1960's, did his thing/the Eugenic's Wars until the late 1990's and then spent 200+ years frozen. Cumberbatch's character shares those same exact experiences with Montalban's character. which is the vast majority of his life.
Both Khans share the same exact background until the 2233 timeline split, ie they were the exact same until then. Understand now?
Originally posted by RobtardExperiences changed, etc. he has time to work with Fedearation, honed skill, etc. most likely. Everything we see from Khan in the original series and episode is different so completely different.
Yet it's the same character at the base, if you understood the dynamics of the timeline split, you'd know this. Frozen Khan didn't suddenly get extra powers just because the Narada went back and created a split.Nah, you clearly stated everything wrong about the Kirk/Khan fight.
The majority of Khan's life has been the same. He was likely born sometime in the 1960's, did his thing/the Eugenic's Wars until the late 1990's and then spent 200+ years frozen. Cumberbatch's character shares those same exact experiences with Montalban's character. which is the vast majority of his life. Both
Khans' share the same exact background until the 2233 timeline split. Understand now?
Experiences make us who we are. Only a fool thinks we do the same things based on different experiences.
Everything we see from original is different thus making NuKhan different in every way. Nothing is the same from what we see.
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I don't expect you to grasp a basic logic here. I do expect you to stamp your feet and cry about it.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Experiences changed, etc. he has time to work with Fedearation, honed skill, etc. most likely. Everything we see from Khan in the original series and episode is different so completely different.Experiences make us who we are. Only a fool thinks we do the same things based on different experiences.
Everything we see from original is different thus making NuKhan different in every way. Nothing is the same from what we see.
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I don't expect you to grasp a basic logic here. I do expect you to stamp your feet and cry about it.
Everything is different? Except of course his strength, his drive and his intellect as illustrated in the show. But then again, you've not seen Space Seed, so you don't know 🙂
The dynamics of the timeline split have been explained to you by me and Dadudemon at least; multiple times. You're incapable of reason when you're upset and out to prove something.
Oh look, more mimicking. I'm flattered, bandwagon-boi.
Originally posted by RobtardHis droves isn't aimed at Kirk in illogical fashion. Yes, I saw this fool lose to Kirk. I saw him let his woman betray him and still take her to the planet with him. He was unbelievably stupid as was the episode. The dialogue was almost as awful as the fight at the end. Him giving Kirk a chance to serve him also isn't this Khans style at all.
Everything is different? Except of course his strength, his drive and his intellect as illustrated in the show. But then again, you're not seen Space Seed so you don't know 🙂Oh look, more mimicking. I'm flattered, bandwagon-boi.
I cannot begin to describe how awful that episode was. Reboot Khan is almost entirely different. But every experience he had the first time around is different so like normal I decimated your but they both have brains type ignorant responses.
Originally posted by quanchi112
His droves isn't aimed at Kirk in illogical fashion. Yes, I saw this fool lose to Kirk. I saw him let his woman betray him and still take her to the planet with him. He was unbelievably stupid as was the episode. The dialogue was almost as awful as the fight at the end. Him giving Kirk a chance to serve him also isn't this Khans style at all.I cannot begin to describe how awful that episode was. Reboot Khan is almost entirely different. But every experience he had the first time around is different so like normal I decimated your but they both have brains type ignorant responses.
In other words you're goolging and getting the quick notes now.
What was illogical about Khan in Space Seed and Wrath?
I do love your fanfic scripting though you did above. Maybe next work on: 'Khan's soapy shower experience in the alt timeline' by Quanchi112
Originally posted by quanchi112
Not canon but who cares you agreed to a live action movie debate only. In our debate live action movies only. 🙂
It's not canon? I see your living up to your reputation of being a liar.
Being canon is fact, not opinion. It's canon to both Lucas and Lucasfilm. Disney hasn't retconned TCW film or series in any way.
Originally posted by RobtardThe way he seduced that woman. How quickly she fell for him, betrayed him, and then he forgave her. Kirk after almost being killed letting him go on his own planet.
In other words you're goolging and getting the quick notes now.What was illogical about Khan in Space Seed and Wrath?
I do love your fanfic scripting though you did above. Maybe next work on: 'Khan's soapy shower experience in the alt timeline' by Quanchi112
Again, different Khan as every experience we see is different thus entirely different characters.
You prefer the male boring soap opera Star Trek original was but unlike you I don't have any female tendencies.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERNo, the man in charge of continuity says otherwise. T canon.
It's not canon? I see your living up to your reputation of being a liar.Being canon is fact, not opinion. It's canon to both Lucas and Lucasfilm. Disney hasn't retconned TCW film or series in any way.
Lucas also sold the rights so there goes his opinion. I mean what rock have you been living under ?
Originally posted by quanchi112
The way he seduced that woman. How quickly she fell for him, betrayed him, and then he forgave her. Kirk after almost being killed letting him go on his own planet.Again, different Khan as every experience we see is different thus entirely different characters.
You prefer the male boring soap opera Star Trek original was but unlike you I don't have any female tendencies.
They were the same Khan up to being unfrozen. The same powerset as well.
What exactly happened to Khan in the reboot to make him faster/stronger? Nothing. Best you can argue is that he had some starfleet combat training. Whatever difference you think that would make.
Fact is though even in the reboot he was beaten by an angry Spock and Uhura.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERBy comparison to Palpatine's lightning as Yoda was easily able to ward off Dooku's. Yoda had to work against Palpatine.
How's Dooku's Lightning weak?When reflected it caused an explosion in the stone ceiling.
Luke also resisted Palpatine's lightning whereas Anakin was easily kod by weaker lightning. 🙂
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, the man in charge of continuity says otherwise. T canon.Lucas also sold the rights so there goes his opinion. I mean what rock have you been living under ?
And when did Lucasfilm retcon TCW being canon? You can't retcon a movie that was released in theatres.
And btw the T-Canon rating was specifically given to seperate it from the rest of the EU stuff which is C-Canon. It's higher than all that. It's basically up there with the movies.
And finally the guy whose called it "T-Canon" says IT IS CANON.
So exactly who and where was it stated that a Thearatically relased film WAS NOT CANON. It's bveen proven to you beyond a doubt that it's canon to the movies so stop the trolling.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERWe didn't see Khan prior to being frozen so every moment afterwards was different aka different characters.
They were the same Khan up to being unfrozen. The same powerset as well.What exactly happened to Khan in the reboot to make him faster/stronger? Nothing. Best you can argue is that he had some starfleet combat training. Whatever difference you think that would make.
Fact is though even in the reboot he was beaten by an angry Spock and Uhura.
The feats, the skill, the experiences were all different. We also see Kirk unable to even faze him unlike original Kirk. It's obvious he had honed his skills, etc.
Anakin and most characters would be beaten by far less than surviving a crash that would kill mostly anyone save him, a hand to hand battle which entailed two Nerve Vulcan attacks after disarming an armed Spock, 7-8 or so phaser stun blasts while in the midst of combat, etc.
Anakin was kod just by force lightning against one opponent. Khan is beyond his foes one on one. Proven.
Originally posted by quanchi112
By comparison to Palpatine's lightning as Yoda was easily able to ward off Dooku's. Yoda had to work against Palpatine.Luke also resisted Palpatine's lightning whereas Anakin was easily kod by weaker lightning. 🙂
Yeah and? It would still KO Khan. The guy got KO's by a few stun blasts.
He was actually KO's by just 1 earlier in the movie.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERContinuity buff said it was t canon. That was his job. 😂
And when did Lucasfilm retcon TCW being canon? You can't retcon a movie that was released in theatres.And btw the T-Canon rating was specifically given to seperate it from the rest of the EU stuff which is C-Canon. It's higher than all that. It's basically up there with the movies.
And finally the guy whose called it "T-Canon" says IT IS CANON.
So exactly who and where was it stated that a Thearatically relased film WAS NOT CANON. It's bveen proven to you beyond a doubt that it's canon to the movies so stop the trolling.
Not highest form of canon. Quit blowing smoke there's no fire.
Canon to tv series which has Maul back comtradicts the movies ie not G canon.
Entirely different portrayal than movies as well. Cry about it. I'm going to destroy you in our battlezone.