Originally posted by quanchi112
No, I am going along with the man charged with continuity in the first place. Isn't the highest level of canon so I don't acknowledge it. Pretty simple.
No, you are going along with your interpretation of what he said, and disregarding canon policy in the process. Besides, nobody cares what you "go along" with, because your placement of values is about as important to this debate as a rats @ss.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Man charged with continuity agrees otherwise it would be the highest level. It doesn't get that so your opinion is irrelevant. 🙂
So says the fool who disregards official canon policy to suit himself. Troll harder.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Kirk said he took out a squadron singlehandedly in the movie. Watch AOTC and see jedis in mass number being overwhelmed by simple droids. Khan himself seems a much bigger deal than any single Jedi by far.
Yeah, because the stadium scene was merely "A Squad of Droids". oh wait... You don't even know what the hell a squad means then... A squad is not literally HUNDREDS OF MIXED DROID UNITS! We have literally hundreds of B1's, B2's and Droideka, not do mention hundreds to thousands of Geonosians packing sonic weapons, against 2 dozen or so Jedi. You should NEVER be a battlefield tactician Quan, you can't even get numbers right.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yoda didn't beat his ass. Mostly likely he would have won but guess what he didn't and sat back while Dooku attacked his friends. Yoda then had to act and save them.
Heh, he handedly beat him in a contest of the force, and could hardly keep up in a sword fight, Dooku had to cause a distraction just to retreat. Lie some more, maybe someday someone out there in the vastness of the internet someone may believe you.
Originally posted by quanchi112
They'd overwhelm them since droids did so. Imagine just two Jedi alone. We see two imprisoned in stasis fields and quite easily. Overrating me thinks.
Yeah? how? And so what? The numbers of Klingons, and what they are armed with matter greatly. once again, you lack context or any kind of elaboration whatsoever. I honestly think you are severely overrating the Klingons if only to make Kahn seem more badass for accomplishing what he did.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I never said he was the same skill wise or power wise but his inflated sense of his own abilities still was there. A fool does the same things twice. Anakin is a fool.
Except in the 2nd encounter, we know that Anakin is not overestimating himself, and was much more calm about it. The same Dooku got slaughtered by Anakin, who only seconds before had handidly dealt with Obi Wan, the same obi Wan who eventually overcame Anakin on Mustafar only days later. Why don't you "Enlighten" us Quan, why do you think this is so?
Originally posted by quanchi112
I was referring to Anakin. I clearly say he aka Vader was unstable while referring to him against Obi and in that scene. You then think I'm attacking you. 😂
You know, you are a terrible liar Quan...
Originally posted by quanchi112
Was at unstable as you can be. Undeniable.
The evidence is indisputable, you really ARE a retard, so retarded that you don't even know when you throw out insults to people and thinking they won't catch them out.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I mean quite taking this ass handing personally.
You MADE this one personal, and probably intentionally too. What, did all the other spankings you got from myself and others FINALLY make your puny primitive brain register pain?
Originally posted by quanchi112
How am I narrow minded ? I am looking at this very objectively based on what these characters do. I don't script I look at these fights based off their history, abilities, and tendencies.
You are looking through your rose tinted "Quan Logic" Shades. You disregard canon as it suits you, you disregard other posters views, you attack people, and you are an audacious butthole. Considering your own previous track record, I don't think you can ever repair your shot to $h!t credibility anywhere on KMC.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Continuity buff says t canon. Lucas sold the rights.
There's no continuity issue at all between T-Canon and G-Canon. They are both part of the same continuity according to Lucas himself. The only continuity issue that's ever existed is between whats canon to Lucas and whats canon to the rest of the EU which Lucas never really got involved in.
The guy your quoting (Leeland Chee) calls the whole of SW EU Canon! LOL.. And has only made canon levels to deal with direct contradictions. In which case Higher canon takes priority.
Show me where Disney has retconned previous canon or stop your trolling.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
There's no continuity issue at all between T-Canon and G-Canon. They are both part of the same continuity according to Lucas himself. The only continuity issue that's ever existed is between whats canon to Lucas and whats canon to the rest of the EU which Lucas never really got involved in.The guy your quoting (Leeland Chee) calls the whole of SW EU Canon! LOL.. And has only made canon levels to deal with direct contradictions. In which case Higher canon takes priority.
Show me where Disney has retconned previous canon or stop your trolling.
To lay the argument of canon policy to rest, here is something for Quan to chew on when he finishes his... erm... dinner...
Canon in the Holocron continuity databaseIn 2000, Lucas Licensing appointed Leland Chee to create a continuity-tracking database referred to as the Holocron continuity database. The Holocron follows the canon policy that has been in effect for years, but the capabilities of database software allow for each element of a story, rather than the stories themselves, to be classified on their own merits.
The Holocron's database includes an area for a single-letter (G, T, C, S, N or D) representing the level of canonicity of that element; these letters have since informally been applied to the levels of canon themselves: G-canon, T-canon, C-canon, S-canon, N-canon and D-canon. As part of his work with the Holocron, Chee was responsible for the creation of this classification, and he spent the early stages developing and refining them into what they are today.
G, T, C and S together form the overall Star Wars continuity. Each ascending level typically overrides the lower ones; for example, Boba Fett's back story was radically altered with the release of Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones, forcing the retcon of older source material to fall in line with the new G-canon back story. However, this is not always absolute, and the resolution of all contradictions is handled on a case-by-case basis.
◾G-canon is George Lucas Canon; the six Episodes and any statements by George Lucas (including unpublished production notes from him or his production department that are never seen by the public). Elements originating with Lucas in the movie novelizations, reference books, and other sources are also G-canon, though anything created by the authors of those sources is C-canon. When the matter of changes between movie versions arises, the most recently released editions are deemed superior to older ones, as they correct mistakes, improve consistency between the two trilogies, and express Lucas's current vision of the Star Wars universe most closely. The deleted scenes included on the DVDs are also considered G-canon (when they're not in conflict with the movie).
◾T-canon, or Television Canon, refers to the canon level comprising the feature film Star Wars: The Clone Wars and the two television shows Star Wars: The Clone Wars and the Star Wars live-action TV series. It was devised recently in order to define a status above the C-Level canon, as confirmed by Chee.
◾C-canon is Continuity Canon, consisting of all recent works (and many older works) released under the name of Star Wars: books, comics, games, cartoons, non-theatrical films, and more. Games are a special case, as generally only the stories are C-canon, while things like stats and gameplay may not be; they also offer non-canonical options to the player, such as choosing female gender for a canonically male character. C-canon elements have been known to appear in the movies, thus making them G-canon; examples include the name "Coruscant," swoop bikes, Quinlan Vos, Aayla Secura, YT-2400 freighters and Action VI transports.
◾S-canon is Secondary Canon; the materials are available to be used or ignored as needed by current authors. This includes mostly older works, such as much of the Marvel Star Wars comics, that predate a consistent effort to maintain continuity; it also contains certain elements of a few otherwise N-canon stories, and other things that "may not fit just right." Many formerly S-canon elements have been elevated to C-canon through their inclusion in more recent works by continuity-minded authors, while many other older works (such as The Han Solo Adventures) were accounted for in continuity from the start despite their age, and thus were always C-canon.
◾N is Non-Canon. What-if stories (such as stories published under the Infinities label) and anything else directly and irreconcilably contradicted by higher canon ends up here. N is the only level that is not considered canon by Lucasfilm. Information cut from canon, deleted scenes, or from canceled Star Wars works falls into this category as well, unless another canonical work references it and it is declared canon.
◾D is Detours Canon, used for material hailing from Star Wars Detours.Leland Chee continues to answer questions about the Holocron in the Holocron continuity database questions thread at the starwars.com forums.
On August 4, 2004, when asked if the G and C-levels formed separate and independent canon, Leland Chee responded by stating that both were part of a single canon:
"There is one overall continuity."
In a December 7, 2005 post, Chee commented on how the Holocron is applied to licensees:
"The Holocron comes into play for anything official being developed for books, games, websites, and merchandise. For anything beyond that, it is simply a reference tool."
In a December 6, 2006 post, Chee contradicted his original statements regarding the canonicity of the Holocron and how it applied to the Star Wars universe:
"The only relevant official continuities are the current versions of the films alone, and the combined current version of the films along with whatever else we've got in the Holocron. You're never going to know what George's view of the universe beyond the films at any given time because it is constantly evolving."
On a post made on the same day, Mr. Chee stated that:
"Anything not in the current version of the films is irrelevant to Film only continuity."
This statement confirms the priority of the "current version of the films" over the original versions, as well as the existence of two separate continuities, the "film only" continuity maintained and followed by George Lucas himself, and the "film + EU" continuity that is used for licensed products.Subsequent questioning over which continuity was "more official" revealed that Mr. Chee favored film + EU continuity, but in the end it was up to the individual fan:
"You're asking the Keeper of the Holocron, so of course I'm gonna be a bit biased ... The reality is that a huge number of people who have seen all 6 Star Wars films have never played a Star Wars game, visited a Star Wars website, watched a Star Wars television program, read a Star Wars publication, or purchased a Star Wars action figure or collectible. It would be great disservice to discount these people as fans."
Now, since this is not a Film Only debate, Quan's argument is effectively shot to hell.
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G-canon is George Lucas Canon; the six Episodes and any statements by George Lucas
So clearly the fact that T-canon has been confirmed by Lucas's Statements puts G-Canon and T-Canon pretty much on par.
Keep crying about this Quan.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroNow, since this is not a Film Only debate, Quan's argument is effectively shot to hell.
Even if it was film only, TCW is a film.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He also put it into t canon. Lucas also sold the rights. He doesn't get to decide anymore. 😆
And you're ignoring (again) that Chee states whatever George Lucas says is G canon(directly above the copy/paste you did, guess you didn't read well enough) .
Lucas > Chee, by Chee's own words 🙂
ie Lucas > Chee. Lucas > you, Chee > you. Those the facts.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroControl yourself its simply t canon. Not highest level. Quit lashing out.
No, you are going along with your interpretation of what he said, and disregarding canon policy in the process. Besides, nobody cares what you "go along" with, because your placement of values is about as important to this debate as a rats @ss.So says the fool who disregards official canon policy to suit himself. Troll harder.
Yeah, because the stadium scene was merely "A Squad of Droids". oh wait... You don't even know what the hell a squad means then... A squad is not literally HUNDREDS OF MIXED DROID UNITS! We have literally hundreds of B1's, B2's and Droideka, not do mention hundreds to thousands of Geonosians packing sonic weapons, against 2 dozen or so Jedi. You should NEVER be a battlefield tactician Quan, you can't even get numbers right.
Heh, he handedly beat him in a contest of the force, and could hardly keep up in a sword fight, Dooku had to cause a distraction just to retreat. Lie some more, maybe someday someone out there in the vastness of the internet someone may believe you.
Yeah? how? And so what? The numbers of Klingons, and what they are armed with matter greatly. once again, you lack context or any kind of elaboration whatsoever. I honestly think you are severely overrating the Klingons if only to make Kahn seem more badass for accomplishing what he did.
Except in the 2nd encounter, we know that Anakin is not overestimating himself, and was much more calm about it. The same Dooku got slaughtered by Anakin, who only seconds before had handidly dealt with Obi Wan, the same obi Wan who eventually overcame Anakin on Mustafar only days later. Why don't you "Enlighten" us Quan, why do you think this is so?
You know, you are a terrible liar Quan...
The evidence is indisputable, you really ARE a retard, so retarded that you don't even know when you throw out insults to people and thinking they won't catch them out.
You MADE this one personal, and probably intentionally too. What, did all the other spankings you got from myself and others FINALLY make your puny primitive brain register pain?
You are looking through your rose tinted "Quan Logic" Shades. You disregard canon as it suits you, you disregard other posters views, you attack people, and you are an audacious butthole. Considering your own previous track record, I don't think you can ever repair your shot to $h!t credibility anywhere on KMC.
Again control yourself. Do not let my opinion control you like this.
What did I get wrong ? I simply summarized a line in the movie. You raged over it. I saw the droids we see overwhelm the Jedi in mass numbers. The Jedi were well represented. Khan looked far superior than any single Jedi has ever looked. 😂
Not incapacitating your opponent and leaving isn't getting your ass handed to you. Please never get into a fight. Obviously, you haven't since you are at work all the time anyways. Dooku and Yoda both had saber pressed against saber. Dooku easily force attacked while,Yoda stood helplessly by and watched it. Awful showing of reflexes there for master Yoda.
The Klingons are a war like people and they were trounced by Khan. They had airships as well and were handed their asses by Khan. I guarantee they'd overwhelm any one Jedi if you swapped the characters out. You are showing your bias.
In the second encounter this is exactly what he says, OBI-WAN: It's over, Anakin. I have the high ground. ANAKIN: You underestimate my power!
It literally says and backs me up. You clearly don't know the meanings of simple words or are just trolling.
Abc logic shows is Obi is better suited for Anakin and Dooku already bested him twice.
No, it's in the same paragraphs as I am discussing Anakin and his instability while in combat. You're not bright though, paranoid guy.
You're so paranoid but ill strike this up to overworked. You have having to work and actually openly cry about it.
You sought me out due to your pain. You aren't anything to me but I am your entire world at the moment. 🙂
No, I don't. I pulled off t canon from the man whose job it to decide continuity. This is just an Internet message board. Don't let me ruin your day. Just relax, sport.
Originally posted by DARTH POWEROne is the highest level of continuity and one isn't. By your logic all levels of continuity are canon. I only look at the top highest level. My style.
There's no continuity issue at all between T-Canon and G-Canon. They are both part of the same continuity according to Lucas himself. The only continuity issue that's ever existed is between whats canon to Lucas and whats canon to the rest of the EU which Lucas never really got involved in.The guy your quoting (Leeland Chee) calls the whole of SW EU Canon! LOL.. And has only made canon levels to deal with direct contradictions. In which case Higher canon takes priority.
Show me where Disney has retconned previous canon or stop your trolling.
Quit referring to Lucas since he doesn't own Star Wars anymore. 🙂
Originally posted by RobtardStill t canon as it is stated. Lucas opinion doesn't matter. Sold the rights. 😂
And you're ignoring (again) that Chee states whatever George Lucas says is G canon(directly above the copy/paste you did, guess you didn't read well enough) .Lucas > Chee, by Chee's own words 🙂
ie Lucas > Chee. Lucas > you, Chee > you. Those the facts.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Clearly stated as t canon. Backs my claim. Click the link again you keep missing that part.
Clearly stated that whatever Lucas says supersedes what anyone else says and it's the highest form of canon; including Chee, by Chee's own words.
You're now arguing that Chee's wrong about what he wrote, dummy. Then again, you referred to him as "Lee", which tells me your were desperate google searching; found a hit and only read a small segment of the Holocron.
First rule of the Holocron: "G-canon is George Lucas Canon; the six Episodes and any statements by George Lucas (including unpublished production notes from him or his production department that are never seen by the public). Elements originating with Lucas in the movie novelizations, reference books, and other sources are also G-canon,"
Chee > you. You should have read better 🙂