Data vs. Khan

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
"99 percent of the t d"? Relax, breathe and speak english man.

Data is far superior to Khan by all feats. Which makes your argument silly.

Khan would have been killed or assimilated by The Borg.
Data survived that and messed their shit up good.

No, we see Data flat out overwhelmed by the Borg who are far slower than Khan. Not even close. Thats a fact too. No, khan wouldn't but we know Data already has been despite their slow reactions and movements.

Khan wins.

Oh no another needless response because 'getting the last word' is your thing, as a powerless feeling not-yet-adult..

The Borg were many and think in a collective consciousness.
They also have modulating shields.
Zero comparison and Khan would lose very very quiickly against them.

This is also why you fail.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
You'd eat other people's too, most likely,

Only if it was Jessica Biel's...and it involved kinky relations.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
then poop on your puppies like you did just now to Quan and Lestov in the social forum.

I am not sure how or why you would state this...but I did lol at your use of "poop." WEEEE!

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
And Yes... He does.

30 pages in, you had better not flip-flop on me, now. uhuh

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you agree he would allow Khan to attack him minus the guns. Progress. Secondly, when has Data ever dodged laser fire ?

You keep putting words in my mouth that I never said you raging ass-hat. No, Khan wiould not be considered a non-threat by Data the same way Lily was, for 2 reasons. 1 Data is out to kill here, Data was not out to kill Lily. and 2, Data has ecyclopedic knowledge of the Federation Database, and he no doubt knows who Khan Noonien Singh is.

Data has dodged laser fire in every single firefight he's ever been involved in. Intelligent use of cover, and pinpoint accuracy too.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
2, Data has ecyclopedic knowledge of the Federation Database, and he no doubt knows who Khan Noonien Singh is.

lol, Good point. Even Picard and Riker most likely know of Khan. I believe Janeway was a fan of Kirk and co. so she probably has an even better knowledge of Khan that Picard's COs.

But Data? Yeah, he'll know everything there is to know about Khan including his tactics. 🙂

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Oh no another needless response because 'getting the last word' is your thing, as a powerless feeling not-yet-adult..

The Borg were many and think in a collective consciousness.
They also have modulating shields.
Zero comparison and Khan would lose very very quiickly against them.

This is also why you fail.

Khan wrecks slow Data.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
You keep putting words in my mouth that I never said you raging ass-hat. No, Khan wiould not be considered a non-threat by Data the same way Lily was, for 2 reasons. 1 Data is out to kill here, Data was not out to kill Lily. and 2, Data has ecyclopedic knowledge of the Federation Database, and he no doubt knows who Khan Noonien Singh is.

Data has dodged laser fire in every single firefight he's ever been involved in. Intelligent use of cover, and pinpoint accuracy too.

Data was out to defeat the Borg. He was easily taken by painfully slow Borg. That is an example of him knowing full well their capabilities but being beaten by zombie like slowness.

😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Data was out to defeat the Borg. He was easily taken by painfully slow Borg. That is an example of him knowing full well their capabilities but being beaten by zombie like slowness.

Except that he used his capture to defeat the Borg in the end. Wow, some defeat. Context escapes you massively.

Khan is not the Borg, he doesn't have their shielding, nor their assimilation capability, nor their hive mind, nor any knowledge of Data. What, you gonna cry some more?

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Except that he used his capture to defeat the Borg in the end. Wow, some defeat. Context escapes you massively.

Khan is not the Borg, he doesn't have their shielding, nor their assimilation capability, nor their hive mind, nor any knowledge of Data. What, you gonna cry some more?

Khan is far faster. I am not saying he is the Borg. I am saying he is far quicker than the Borg who physically grabbed and defeated slow Data. Khan is faster than the Borg and Data. Proof is in the film.

Originally posted by quanchi112
They eventually prevailed but Data did not give himself up on purpose. Watch the film.

I did watch the film Quannie, and here is the thing you fail to mention. the Borg opened up a previously jammed door, tripped Data up by grasping his ankles, from behind, and dragged him through. Not only are the Borg physically stronger than most species they encounter, but they had Data in a disadvantageous position, something that is not happening here.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Khan is far faster. I am not saying he is the Borg. I am saying he is far quicker than the Borg who physically grabbed and defeated slow Data. Khan is faster than the Borg and Data. Proof is in the film.

Khan is faster than the Borg, but nowhere near faster than Data.

The Borg caught Data by surprise, from behind, and through a sealed door, something Khan does not have going for him here, nor does Khan have the Borg's numbers to draw off Data's attention elsewhere.

Are there any other wild assertations you would like to make?

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
The Borg caught Data by surprise, from behind, and through a sealed door, something Khan does not have going for him here, nor does Khan have the Borg's numbers to draw off Data's attention elsewhere.

I don't like this argument.

If Data has super-human hearing and reflexes, how did they sneak up on him, from behind?

How can Data's attention be drawn to other places when he can think of thousands of things in milliseconds?

Edit - What I'm trying to say is not to rationalize his low-ball showings. That's just CIS that causes PIS. The Borg should have never gotten the drop on him.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I did watch the film Quannie, and here is the thing you fail to mention. the Borg opened up a previously jammed door, tripped Data up by grasping his ankles, from behind, and dragged him through. Not only are the Borg physically stronger than most species they encounter, but they had Data in a disadvantageous position, something that is not happening here.

Khan is faster than the Borg, but nowhere near faster than Data.

The Borg caught Data by surprise, from behind, and through a sealed door, something Khan does not have going for him here, nor does Khan have the Borg's numbers to draw off Data's attention elsewhere.

Are there any other wild assertations you would like to make?

Yes, he is. The Borg are slow. You're flat out lying .

Data is not fast as evidenced by the film and him in combat.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I don't like this argument.

Neither do I, but it is what happened...

Originally posted by dadudemon
If Data has super-human hearing and reflexes, how did they sneak up on him, from behind?

Because they only opened the door to knee height? IDK

Originally posted by dadudemon
How can Data's attention be drawn to other places when he can think of thousands of things in milliseconds?

Because he was more or less focused on getting his fiends out of there once the phasers stopped working and was acting as a roadblock.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Edit - What I'm trying to say is not to rationalize his low-ball showings. That's just CIS that causes PIS. The Borg should have never gotten the drop on him.

And yet, Quan likes to use this and ONLY this to determine all of Data's capabilities.

Originally posted by quanchi112
They are slow and ripped him through like some Voorhees victim. Awful reaction time.

And this countermands all of his other showings because.... why again?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, he is. The Borg are slow. You're flat out lying.

I already said Khan is faster than the Borg, but he is not faster than Data, and you have not the evidence to prove otherwise.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Data is not fast as evidenced by the film and him in combat.

You choose to use one instance in one film. You have cherrypicked a very low end and focused exclusively on it, so your assessment is null and void.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Neither do I, but it is what happened...

Because they only opened the door to knee height? IDK

Because he was more or less focused on getting his fiends out of there once the phasers stopped working and was acting as a roadblock.

And yet, Quan likes to use this and ONLY this to determine all of Data's capabilities.

So I say ignore the low-ball showings that are clearly PIS* and point him to high-end showings. If everyone debated based on low-end feats, Superman always loses to Batman when Batman has 5 minutes or less of prep.

Stick with Data's best and ignore his worst. If someone debates a character at their worst, ROFL, ignore...it's a waste of your time to even entertain that poster. 🙂

*The real reason the Borg captured Data is the writers wanted to have a semi-twist where Data sticks it to the Borg at the end. One could argue, almost baselessly, that Data allowed himself to get captured because he calculated that it would be a statistical advantage for him to infiltrate the Borg's ranks. That's not purely baseless because Data, at the end of the film, states he was tempted for only fractions of a second (or was it a few seconds?). Indicates Data let himself get captured. aha! lol

Originally posted by dadudemon
So I say ignore the low-ball showings that are clearly PIS* and point him to high-end showings. If everyone debated based on low-end feats, Superman always loses to Batman when Batman has 5 minutes or less of prep.

Stick with Data's best and ignore his worst. If someone debates a character at their worst, ROFL, ignore...it's a waste of your time to even entertain that poster. 🙂

I can't... I have to argue the whole character, because it would be dishonest of he to ignore low ends and focus exclusively on high ends.

Originally posted by dadudemon
The real reason the Borg captured Data is the writers wanted to have a semi-twist where Data sticks it to the Borg at the end. One could argue, almost baselessly, that Data allowed himself to get captured because he calculated that it would be a statistical advantage for him to infiltrate the Borg's ranks. That's not purely baseless because Data, at the end of the film, states he was tempted for only fractions of a second (or was it a few seconds?). Indicates Data let himself get captured. aha! lol

Well, as I said, Quan won't like any explanation bar the one that gives him a chance to lowball.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Neither do I, but it is what happened...

Because they only opened the door to knee height? IDK

Because he was more or less focused on getting his fiends out of there once the phasers stopped working and was acting as a roadblock.

And yet, Quan likes to use this and ONLY this to determine all of Data's capabilities.

And this countermands all of his other showings because.... why again?

I already said Khan is faster than the Borg, but he is not faster than Data, and you have not the evidence to prove otherwise.

You choose to use one instance in one film. You have cherrypicked a very low end and focused exclusively on it, so your assessment is null and void.

I did not choose one showing here. The borg's entire portrayal in that film was slow. Data was slow in the entire film as well. If you want to say Data is very fast how many feats would you say accurately represents that let's say in a percentage.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You are making up excuses and ignoring what happened and the hilarious slow acting movements of the Borg. They are slow on the film. That is all that needs to be said with regards to their speed in the film.

Ignoring what? Your the one who is hideously one-dimensional about showings and ignoring whatever context suits your purposes. And I ask again, so f**king what? Their speed is not in question as they are not Khan's opponent.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I did not choose one showing here. The borg's entire portrayal in that film was slow. Data was slow in the entire film as well. If you want to say Data is very fast how many feats would you say accurately represents that let's say in a percentage.

Hows about you not focus on one showing in one film....

That's right, because you have not seen any of TNG or any of the other films. You chose this particular film only because you thought it gave you rights to cherry pick that one scene. Disgraceful.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Ignoring what? Your the one who is hideously one-dimensional about showings and ignoring whatever context suits your purposes. And I ask again, so f**king what? Their speed is not in question as they are not Khan's opponent.

Hows about you not focus on one showing in one film....

That's right, because you have not seen any of TNG or any of the other films. You chose this particular film only because you thought it gave you rights to cherry pick that one scene. Disgraceful.

Yes, I have. I have seen the films and Data is slow in all of them. I'd say his slow movements are at least around 95 percent of the time.

Give me a percentage and actually answer the question.

Avoiding a simple question is shameful.

Originally posted by quanchi112
If they are far slower than Khan and beat Data then you have no choice but to admit Khan is faster than Data. Evidence.

No, all that proves is that Khan is physically faster than Drones. The fact that the drones caught Data unprepared does not take away Data's speed. That is one of your more horrendous leaps of logic.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, I have. I have seen the films and Data is slow in all of them. I'd say his slow movements are at least around 95 percent of the time.

Because he prefers to function at the same speed as humans, that does not preclude when he speeds up for battle, which he has done so countless times throughout the series.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Give me a percentage and actually answer the question.

You never asked a question. you made some quirky demand about percentages, which is laughable considering your sole focus on one event. You never countered anything else either, especially about Data's knowledge of the Fed Database, which you coventiently ignored. Not to mention you have dropped the stupid argument about Lily.

Hows about I turn your question right back around and ask you to provide just ONE speed feat beyond human for Khan. Go on Quan, just one.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Avoiding a simple question is shameful.

It's the same tactic you have used for nearly 3 years, but I avoided none. I am actually making you prove your case.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
No, all that proves is that Khan is physically faster than Drones. The fact that the drones caught Data unprepared does not take away Data's speed. That is one of your more horrendous leaps of logic.

Because he prefers to function at the same speed as humans, that does not preclude when he speeds up for battle, which he has done so countless times throughout the series.

You never asked a question. you made some quirky demand about percentages, which is laughable considering your sole focus on one event. You never countered anything else either, especially about Data's knowledge of the Fed Database, which you coventiently ignored. Not to mention you have dropped the stupid argument about Lily.

Hows about I turn your question right back around and ask you to provide just ONE speed feat beyond human for Khan. Go on Quan, just one.

It's the same tactic you have used for nearly 3 years, but I avoided none. I am actually making you prove your case.

We see him do so here with everything on the line. You want to make excuses. Not how we do things on kmc.

Watch the film. We see him run and move far faster than any human. The only one who can kind of keep up is someone far superior to a human in the half human/half Vulcan Spock. Kirk could not even harm Khan in any way. Khan is superior to humans in every way. Its a basic point of the film which escapes you. Not surprising.

I did not choose one showing here. The borg's entire portrayal in that film was slow. Data was slow in the entire film as well. If you want to say Data is very fast how many feats would you say accurately represents that let's say in a percentage.

Being dishonest during a debate is your thing not mine. Unlike you I debate and bring forth evidence.