Lord Vitiate runs the gauntlet.

Started by Nephthys13 pages

Blah blah blah. Keep trotting out the same crap, it doesn't make it any more right. I can crack open my copy and see that Sidious cut Tiin's (Fisto's?) head off and yet that doesn't make it any less non-canon.

The text is a non-canon observation. Therefore its non-canon.

You still haven't responded to the fact that its also obviously hyperbole, since a) there aren't a dozen strikes from Mace at that point in the movie, thus no way for it to seem that way and b) he doesn't strike in 'all directions' either, ergo again its an obvious faulty exaggeration.

Why so serious, Neph?

Anakin's observation did not impact the speed at which the combatants moved. Ergo, with or without his presence, they were moving at the same speed.

The only action that needs to be taken in order to conform to canon standards is remove Anakin's presence from the scene.

In which case, they're still moving at the same speed. 👆

As far as your other criticisms are concerned, the stylistic quibble isn't enough to discount the scene in a Lucas-line-edited-and-approved book. Its interpretation is relevant whereas yours, per the norm, isn't.

You have my permission to piss and moan further about someone other than Bane being really fast, but it changes nothing.

Actually its the movies interpretation that's relevant. And as I pointed out the novel contradicts the movie even beyond Anakins presence. Its like the Inception of non-continuity.

Other than that I just mentally replaced all you wrote with charming seal barking. It was very pleasant.

Concession accepted.

Oh god, you've mentally regressed to the point of quoting Sexy! Quick, repent! REPENT!

DS is the only intelligent person who shares your mancrush of Palpatine's pale imitation. Don't go biting the hand that feeds you.

And he got that line from me. I own that line.

Arf! Arf!

Originally posted by Nephthys
Arf! Arf!

I'd ask if you can bounce balls on your nose, but I know from experience that that's true.

Hahaha, that doesn't even make sense in the way you arranged that sentence.

I'll arrange your mom's sentence.

Even if it is non-canon, Mace has already replicated a very comparable feat when fighting Vastor.

The 12 blades is not from Zannah's perspective.

Do you have a quote?

Originally posted by Intrepid37
I have already proven that you only need to be able to react in an instant in order to evade blasterbolts, and since you agree that blasterbolts are as fast as bullets, one who is able to react instantaneous fast (pretty much everyone) can replicate Scourge's feat.

It isn't about reactions though. Its about speed. Scourge moved so fast the canon couldn't hit him, he didn't specifically react to anything. Reacting instantly isn't the same as moving extremely fast in a straight line. Of course all Jedi have extremely fast reactions, they have foreknowledge of events through precognition. Actual speed is a different story. Plus why would an instant be enough to replicate it? An instant is an ambiguous amount of time.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Not relevant to this discussion, but could you post the excerpt in which Bane looks to have wielded a dozens of lightsabers?

For that matter, Anakin is confirmed as faster than Windu, who replicated Bane's feat. 🙂

'She fell into a defensive posture as she so often had during their training sessions. But this was no drill, and her Master came at her with a speed and ferocity she had never faced before. Giving in to his orbalisk-fueled bloodrage, he was like a wild animal, raining savage blows down on her from all angles, the strikes coming so fast it seemed as if he wielded a dozen blades at the same time. Zannah fell into a full retreat, desperately giving ground beneath the overwhelming assault.'

(it is from Zannahs perspective 😛)

Only if you put Windu into the same generation as Anakin. I don't think you can, there's quite an age gap between them.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
I think my conclusion is better.

I don't. You're making a leap in logic there. Something being rare doesn't make it superior.

Light is just another expression of defining blur. Lightsaber in blur motion can leave a trail of light in its swing path as several images depict in this thread. The author foolishly defined a special effect in the novel; colorful interpretation.

Vitiate dominates them all with some funky ass magical sorcery none of them have ever experienced - which makes Talzin's Dooku doll look pathetic in comparison.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Light is just another expression of defining blur. Lightsaber in blur motion can leave a trail of light in its swing path as several images depict in this thread. The author foolishly defined a special effect in the novel; colorful interpretation.

👆

Also saying that a lightsabers blurred isn't impressive either. They just do that when they move at practically any speed.

Originally posted by Nephthys
It isn't about reactions though. Its about speed. Scourge moved so fast the canon couldn't hit him, he didn't specifically react to anything. Reacting instantly isn't the same as moving extremely fast in a straight line.

In the instance I was referring to (quote below), it is.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Plus why would an instant be enough to replicate it? An instant is an ambiguous amount of time.

Only 11-4D's ability to calculate trajectories and react instantaneously to danger kept it from being on the receiving end of any of the numerous ricochets.

Originally posted by Nephthys
'She fell into a defensive posture as she so often had during their training sessions. But this was no drill, and her Master came at her with a speed and ferocity she had never faced before. Giving in to his orbalisk-fueled bloodrage, he was like a wild animal, raining savage blows down on her from all angles, the strikes coming so fast it seemed as if he wielded a dozen blades at the same time. Zannah fell into a full retreat, desperately giving ground beneath the overwhelming assault.'

(it is from Zannahs perspective 😛)


Thanks.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Only if you put Windu into the same generation as Anakin. I don't think you can, there's quite an age gap between them.

I think you can. For the matter, it specifically says ''perhaps of any generation'', and you know as well as I Mace is't the fastest of perhaps any generation.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I don't. You're making a leap in logic there. Something being rare doesn't make it superior.

That's true, but I think it's important to note how the 'lightning-bolt' description have only been awarded to two of the fastest characters in the mythos, while 'blur' has been given to the slowest of the Jedi, Qui-Gon Jinn forexample.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Nice try, Neph.

The only thing non-canon about the scene is Anakin's presence. As Anakin isn't the source of Mace or Sidious's impressive speed, logic dictates they would still be moving as fast with or without him there.

The excerpt stands. 👆

If this is true, I may have to concede to SIDIOUS66 that Mace was amped during his duel with Sidious... and that Sidious can blitz Mace and Dooku...

😐

Sidious is more powerful than any Sith, but I really don't think he's THAT powerful.

Others, though, even respectable debaters such as Silver2467 from Comic Vine, disagree.