Originally posted by Intrepid37
I know he is, but quite frankly, he fought so fast that ''Anakin could not truly see him'', which is rather ridiculous in my opinion, given that Anakin is the second-fastest Jedi.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
As thought I, but Tempest made a good argument on the other page: the only non-canon in the scene written is Anakin's physical appearence, not the speed they're fighting at.
Originally posted by Vensai
Anakin observing their speed is also non-canon based on the movie.
Originally posted by Vensai
And if Sidious and Mace really were fighting so fast that Anakin could barely see them, then this speed contradiction happens:
Dooku=Anakin<Amped Mace=Sidious=Yoda=Dooku
Prove it... Anakin never saw them clashing blades at extreme speeds in the movie, he only came in after Sidious lost the saber duel.
Considering that Yoda was matching Sidious and wasn't exactly blitzing Dooku in AoTC (the same Dooku who Anakin was at least matching in speed), I find it hard to see how Sidious is that much faster than Anakin. I don't remember any other significant instances when Sidious went up against the top-tiers and displayed that level of speed.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Anakin's physical appearence in the novelization didn't make Mace move faster.As for Yoda, he is either slower than Sidious or held back against Dooku.
I do agree it's a little ridiculous though.
Of course, Anakin being there didn't make Mace increase his speed, but neither is he there to make the observation of how fast the two combatants were fighting.
If we accept that Sidious is truly that fast, then he must have held back against Yoda just as Yoda held back against Dooku when none of them had any reason not to go all out. Maybe we could simply accept that one duel as a peak showing for Sidious and Mace and not the norm, kinda like Mace's beating up the droid army feat.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
The whole argument can [probably] be destroyed by the fact that ''You have to be Mace or Yoda to compete with the Emperor''. I'll see if I can find a picture.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
''Compete'' definitely means that Mace won't get blitzed. As for the retcon, that's not really the point.
Just found a screenplay for Episode 2. It states that Yoda was "exhausted" after the AoTC duel, implying that he was not holding back:
COUNT DOOKU'S Sail Ship takes off. OBI-WAN and ANAKIN
struggle to the exhausted YODA, but it's too late. The Sail
Ship rises into the air and flies away.
Basically, the argument for Mace's and Sidious's insane speed feat is that their speed is independent of Anakin's observation. If Anakin never was there to observe the fight and be amazed by their incredible speed, then it shouldn't be fair to measure their speed based on an observation that "never happened." You can only infer from the novel that they got faster, but not so fast that they could have blitzed Anakin.
If we're going to leave everything from the novel in as long as the film does not explicitly contradict it, then Sidious must have bothered to cut Fisto's head off during the fight for Anakin's viewing pleasure.
EDIT: Sorry! I accidentally double posted.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
He could've been exahusted by moving the crane from crushing the Jedi.
Yoda is more peace oriented then conditioned for fighting.
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Sidious isn't going to speed blitz Mace. That's ridiculous.
As for whether Anakin would see Mace and Sidious as blurs or not, it doesn't really matter because despite the fact that his perception of that scene never actually happened, he could still feel them in the Force: "Your eyes can deceive you.. Don't trust them!"
Originally posted by Intrepid37
I know he is, but quite frankly, he fought so fast that ''Anakin could not truly see him'', which is rather ridiculous in my opinion, given that Anakin is the second-fastest Jedi.
Dooku saw Anakin's saber as a blur, and yet was still fighting him.
Originally posted by Vensai
Maybe. But "compete" generally refers to an all-out situation and not specifically speed. Besides, that statement might have been slightly retconned since Mortis Anakin would definitely be able to compete with Sidious.
I think Anakin's a wild card.
But going by "Average" showings he's no more powerful than Maul in regards to Force TK. So he could easily get ragdolled by Sidious's Force TK.
