Lord Vitiate runs the gauntlet.

If you're refering to when he fakes his death, theres no change in that in the Imperial Agent storyline. I myself can't remember Jadus saying that he blocked the destruction but if thats what he says, then thats what he did regardless of story branches.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I am talking about Emperor's Wrath. He is considerably superior to his natural incarnation. So yes.

Scourge, natural incarnation, was able to physically evade firepower of automated canon mounted on a speeder which itself was in motion. He once moved faster then a lightsaber dueling strike aimed for him in a duel. His combat prowess was enhanced by Sith Emperor later on.

And Plagueis moves fast enough to baffle even a droid with enhanced vision, who had to strain to so much as perceive him.

Originally posted by Nephthys
If you're refering to when he fakes his death, theres no change in that in the Imperial Agent storyline. I myself can't remember Jadus saying that he blocked the destruction but if thats what he says, then thats what he did regardless of story branches.

Originally posted by Nephthys
And Plagueis moves fast enough to baffle even a droid with enhanced vision, who had to strain to so much as perceive him.

The automated canon system could possibly have comparable or better tracking system since it was supposed to be accurate and its firepower impossible to evade forever; Scourge managed to evade its firepower with blinding speed. Not to forget that the host vehicle itself was in motion while the canon was firing towards the target.

In another fight, Scourge moved with such a burst of speed that a lightsaber strike aimed for him proved to be slower then his physical movement. Very impressive.

Also, the aforementioned are Scourge's feats when he was natural. SWTORE points out that Sith Emperor enhanced Scourge in all aspects as his Emperor's Wrath; he killed over a 1000 Jedi and Sith during a span of several centuries. Incredible record.

The quote about his victims is like this:

"When a Jedi grew too powerful or a Sith Lord too ambitions, Scourge eliminated the threat."

Scourge is something else as Emperor's Wrath; one of the most formidable warriors in history perhaps. Emperor's Wrath position is an extreme one to hold.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
You weren't supposed to prove the bullets move faster than a human, rather faster than a blasterbolt.

Why? Its blasterbolts, not bullets. Of course it moves the same as blasterbolts. I was explaining that the tracking, firing and aiming systems was likely much faster and accurate than a human, not that it was firing superfast rounds.

And.... why? I'm not supposed to prove shit. I'm not arguing with you about Scourges speed. I merely used it as an example. You can't prove that being 'impossibly fast' would allow someone to replicate or exceed Scourges feat because its a wholly worthless description.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
I highlighted the important words for you.

Why? Obviously Bane didn't actually have 12 arms, but the fact that he moved fast enough to look like he did (to Zannah, a powerful Force user nonetheless) is an impressive and quantifiable feat. If however the text said that he was moving 'like a bolt of lightning' all that means is that he was fast. How fast isn't verifiable. It could be anywhere between very fast human speeds and..... 3,700 miles per second.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Hostility?

No, I swear for emphasis.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Everyone has the blur statement. Very few has the statement of looking like light, suggesting it's more impressive.

Or that the blur description is simply more commonly used. 😬

I don’t agree with him on everything, but Intrepid37 seriously deserves a goddamn medal for his patience and persistence in his dealings with KMC’s resident Bobo Doll.

I’m not sure how you haven’t utterly smote that biased, inarticulate ass-clown and his misplaced hostility with righteous fury. You should find a way to bottle and mass produce that kind of temperance.

Neph, do us all a favor and muzzle your chihuahua; spare us the rabid growling, shrill barking, and multi-post turd-trail in the backyard of genius. No one in the neighborhood likes it.

Originally posted by Nephthys
And.... why? I'm not supposed to prove shit. I'm not arguing with you about Scourges speed. I merely used it as an example. You can't prove that being 'impossibly fast' would allow someone to replicate or exceed Scourges feat because its a wholly worthless description.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Why? Obviously Bane didn't actually have 12 arms, but the fact that he moved fast enough to look like he did (to Zannah, a powerful Force user nonetheless) is an impressive and quantifiable feat. If however the text said that he was moving 'like a bolt of lightning' all that means is that he was fast. How fast isn't verifiable. It could be anywhere between very fast human speeds and..... 3,700 miles per second.

For that matter, Anakin is confirmed as faster than Windu, who replicated Bane's feat. 🙂

Originally posted by Nephthys
Or that the blur description is simply more commonly used. 😬

Originally posted by The_Tempest
I don’t agree with him on everything,

When did Windu replicate that feat?

Mace pressed back the darkness with a relentless straight-ahead march; his own blade, that distinctive amethyst blaze that had been the final sight of so many evil beings across the galaxy, made a haze of its own: an oblate sphere of purple fire within which there seemed to be dozens of swords slashing in all directions at once.

Non-canon.

No, it isn't.

Yuh-huh.

Says who, other than you?

The rules that if a scene directly contradicts the movies its non-canon? The observation that he's moving that fast is made by Anakin, who isn't actually present during the fight in the movie. Ergo that observation couldn't possibly be made in canon. Ergo its non-canon.

Nice try, Neph.

The only thing non-canon about the scene is Anakin's presence. As Anakin isn't the source of Mace or Sidious's impressive speed, logic dictates they would still be moving as fast with or without him there.

The excerpt stands. 👆

And the whole feat is an observation of their speed from Anakin's perspective. Without that observation there is no feat at all. That they were moving fast is no question, but without the observation there is no evidence for how fast at all.

Its also obviously hyperbole, since a) there aren't a dozen strikes from Mace at that point in the movie, thus no way for it to seem that way and b) he doesn't strike in 'all directions' either, ergo again its an obvious faulty exaggeration.

Originally posted by Nephthys
And the whole feat is an observation of their speed from Anakin's perspective.

No, the whole feat would be... the actual feat, not a man's observation of it.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Without that observation there is no feat at all.

Not quite sure how you've convinced yourself that Anakin's peepers are what drive Mace Windu to strike so fast, but that's not the case.

Originally posted by Nephthys
That they were moving fast is no question, but without the observation there is no evidence for how fast at all.

Except that we know how quickly they're moving. We just have to prune Anakin from the scene. Fortunately, since it was written in a Lucas-line-edited novel, we can reasonably infer that the scene stands.

All we need do to conform to canon standards is prune the contradiction with the film: which is Anakin's physical presence.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Its also obviously hyperbole, since a) there aren't a dozen strikes from Mace at that point in the movie, thus no way for it to seem that way and b) he doesn't strike in 'all directions' either, ergo again its an obvious faulty exaggeration.

I'm going to stick with the Lucas-line-edited interpretation over your hopelessly biased one.

Nice to see you didn't even attempt to refute my points. Mother****er, you know as well as I do that theres a shitton of scenes in that 'Lucas-line-edited novel' that directly contradict the movies. This is merely one other example.

😐

I addressed all your points coherently and logically. You've already announced your openly dishonest debating practices to the world. Your interpretation can't be trusted.

Conforming to canon procedure for interpreting contradictions, all we need do is remove Anakin's physical presence. But the text already informed us how fast they were moving, it just doesn't vanish from the books no matter how desperately you want it to.

It does vanish from the books, since he isn't there to observe it. The quote itself is clear:

Mace pressed back the darkness with a relentless straight-ahead march; his own blade, that distinctive amethyst blaze that had been the final sight of so many evil beings across the galaxy, made a haze of its own: an oblate sphere of purple fire within which there seemed to be dozens of swords slashing in all directions at once.

That there seemed to be a dozen swords is how it appeared to Anakin. That theres no way he could make that observation means that the observation is null and void.

Also theres the other contradictions that I've pointed out.

Really? Because I just cracked mine open and, behold, it's still there. 😐

Again, the text already informs us how fast they were moving. If we remove Anakin's presence, we still know how fast they would have appeared to him had he been present.

Speed that, once again, they were utilizing with or without his presence. 👆