Ultron vs Thanos

Started by Branlor Swift8 pages

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yeah, I guess.

It's funny how ridiculous Thor is with holding back during the Busiek era. I remember him hammering away to no effect with some real effort and having to resort to lightning to destroy a secondary Adamantium Ultron (This was Ultron/Adamantium at their high point).

Then he started tearing through them like f*king paper out of nowhere. I think if Ultron appeared in a Thor book, Adamantium or not, that yea, things wouldn't go well for the machine but he'd have to bring his A-Game to beat some of the more powerful versions.

Agreed.

Thor goes from getting smashed by a secondary adamantium Ultron to stopping holding back and eventually destroying him with a lot of effort...

To destroying tens of them seemingly easily.

If he was Superman, that'd be 100 percent proof of dynamic strength.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Thor goes from getting smashed by a secondary adamantium Ultron to stopping holding back and eventually destroying him with a lot of effort...

To destroying tens of them seemingly easily.

If he was Superman, that'd be 100 percent proof of dynamic strength.

Hahaha.

It's funny because you know that's exactly what the argument would be.

So who won?

You guys laugh now, but you won't be laughing when the faint sound of John Williams' score can be heard in the background, foreshadowing the inevitable.

Originally posted by Bentley
Sure, he was trying again and again to beat that pesky AI, like a kid playing a videogame. He's one stubborn player that Kang.

But in all those wars, for all his technopathy and technology powerful enough to casually tank several heralds, Ultron never killed Kang, nor did it manage to stop him from messing with the timestream, when Ultron realized the full extent of the situation the only solution it could come up with was to shut itself down.

Because there is no way Ultron can actually take on Kang 131

He was failing again and again, you mean to say.

Probably because Kang kept running away like a b1tch. Even Immortus understood that Ultron was saving their bacon by letting himself lose.

There is no way Ultron can take on Kang, except for the multitude of times it did, no matter how much time-travel prep and allies Kang brought to the table. That's exceedingly awful. Even by Kang standards.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
You think that bodes well?

Thanos pulls Ultron's head off

Also, DD kept tanking attacks.

I think it's irrelevant. Ultron isn't going to open up its chassis panels, start pulling itself apart and then permit Thanos to snip his wiring.

Sure, if Ultron goes and does it for him.

Also, Ultron-13 didn't want to kill Daredevil. The schizophrenia.

Originally posted by ODG
I think it's irrelevant. Ultron isn't going to open up its chassis panels, start pulling itself apart and then permit Thanos to snip his wiring.

Sure, if Ultron goes and does it for him.

Also, Ultron-13 didn't want to kill Daredevil. The schizophrenia.

No, Thanos will do it for him.

He won't have a choice, Thanos tears his head off.

So he was holding back when he wanted to get rid of everyone and spend time with Number 9?

Originally posted by zopzop
You think Ultron's adamantium body could've withstood that Gungnir channeled blast Odin unleashed on Thanos?

well, let me ask you--would ultron have been destroyed by the celestial blast that thor withstood? iirc even ben took one recently. does that mean thor and ben>adamantium? or was the celestials' blast<<<<odin's blast?

comparing characters to metal doesn't necessarily equate imo and i don't think it makes much sense to compare them. iirc at the start of that cosmic powers mini, isn't thanos fighting a whole horde of beings just for kincks? i remember him being kind of cut up and bleeding. i absolutely don't think any of the guys he was fighting could have scratched ultron if they had a 1000 years. in thanos' case i'm pretty sure he has some pretty uber healing or at least the ability to control his atomic structure to some degree or other so it's kind of a faulty comparison. could ultron have survived that odin attack? depends on the writer imo. it seemed like just some big force blast. i wouldn't really think anything of it if ultron handled that.

Based on everything I've read in this thread so far, this random fodder alien is somewhere between Wolverine and Galactus:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/Thanos21.jpg

lol 👆

now that i think about it, that doesn't leave much space....

Originally posted by leonidas
well, let me ask you--would ultron have been destroyed by the celestial blast that thor withstood? iirc even ben took one recently. does that mean thor and ben>adamantium? or was the celestials' blast<<<<odin's blast?

comparing characters to metal doesn't necessarily equate imo and i don't think it makes much sense to compare them. iirc at the start of that cosmic powers mini, isn't thanos fighting a whole horde of beings just for kincks? i remember him being kind of cut up and bleeding. i absolutely don't think any of the guys he was fighting could have scratched ultron if they had a 1000 years. in thanos' case i'm pretty sure he has some pretty uber healing or at least the ability to control his atomic structure to some degree or other so it's kind of a faulty comparison. could ultron have survived that odin attack? depends on the writer imo. it seemed like just some big force blast. i wouldn't really think anything of it if ultron handled that.

The way I see it, organics damage soak is above metal.

Obviously that doesn't apply to most people, but for beings like Thanos, he will take attacks better than adamantium will. Does that make his skin harder than adamantium? No. But for some reason his damage soak will allow him to make it appear it is.

Let's take Odin for example. He has been cut before. And he's likely to have less piercing resistance than adamantium. However, the guy takes whatever the shit he wants that's far above anything adamantium can take, and keeps on trucking. Same with Surtur.

Beings like Odin, Thanos, etc will be cut by random stuff. But they will take attacks that would absolutely shatter adamantium. Does that mean they're less durable because their piercing resistance "sucks"? Hell, Colossus can take stab stabs better than Hulk can, but we know he's not more durable.

Piercing resistance isn't raw durability. And damage soak seems to be separated as well.

And now I'm onto Wolverine logic.

Also, the Godslayer broke on Thanos' skin, and he was watching the IG/Gorath/whatever-it-was-Sword slice into his skin and healed instantly right after. His defense against cut cuts is fine (which this will devolve into).

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
No, Thanos will do it for him.

He won't have a choice, Thanos tears his head off.

So he was holding back when he wanted to get rid of everyone and spend time with Number 9?

Not likely.

Yes, if Ultron does it for him.

Yes. His more peaceful personality Ultron-12 was the dominant one and didn't want to kill anybody:

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
The way I see it, organics damage soak is above metal.

Obviously that doesn't apply to most people, but for beings like Thanos, he will take attacks better than adamantium will. Does that make his skin harder than adamantium? No. But for some reason his damage soak will allow him to make it appear it is.

Let's take Odin for example. He has been cut before. And he's likely to have less piercing resistance than adamantium. However, the guy takes whatever the shit he wants that's far above anything adamantium can take, and keeps on trucking. Same with Surtur.

Beings like Odin, Thanos, etc will be cut by random stuff. But they will take attacks that would absolutely shatter adamantium. Does that mean they're less durable because their piercing resistance "sucks"? Hell, Colossus can take stab stabs better than Hulk can, but we know he's not more durable.

Piercing resistance isn't raw durability. And damage soak seems to be separated as well.

And now I'm onto Wolverine logic.

Also, the Godslayer broke on Thanos' skin, and he was watching the IG/Gorath/whatever-it-was-Sword slice into his skin and healed instantly right after. His defense against cut cuts is fine (which this will devolve into).

i agree and disagree which is why i think the comparison itself is faulty. organics have mitigating circumstances usually--like a healing factor, control of their atomic structure, sheer willpower that allows them to go on even if their bodies are being basically destroyed. juggs went on as a skeleton. that doesn't mean juggs is more durable than adamantium, rather he has abilities to call upon that simple metal doesn't.

i also don't think it's necessarily true that thanos would tank damage better than adamantium. any blast capable of damaging adamantium would be capable of harming thanos as well imo, but thanos might be able to keep going where the metal might have been pierced. thanos was still damaged, he could just will himself through it, or heal it or use his molecular control. that makes it an uneven playing field. then there is the simple issue of the thickness of the metal to add in. cap's shield has taken blasts from galactus, but we've seen what one good blast from g did to thanos. the comparison just doesn't work in my eyes for all kinds of reasons, but i'd certainly say damaging adamantium is much more difficult than damaging thanos. putting thanos down could be more difficult than piercing a certain amount of adamantium though.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Don't you have some Thanos angst and wrist cutting sessions to attend to?

Nope, but I do have some common sense to teach; class is on Mon, Weds, Fri 9-10am...be there!

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Originally posted by ODG
Not likely.

Yes, if Ultron does it for him.

Yes. His more peaceful personality Ultron-12 was the dominant one and didn't want to kill anybody:

If Ultron's strong enough to tear his head off, then Thanos is

Yet he tried to kill Number Nine right before that...
He didn't know what he wanted to do, and he wanted to destroy Doom because Doom was flawed for a time. Which is something that goes against 12's personality.
He went crazy and backhanded DD and then DD was all like "Whatever, I'll grab this stick". DD > Crazy adamantium Ultron

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
If Ultron's strong enough to tear his head off, then Thanos is

Yet he tried to kill Number Nine right before that...
He didn't know what he wanted to do, and he wanted to destroy Doom because Doom was flawed for a time. Which is something that goes against 12's personality.
He went crazy and backhanded DD and then DD was all like "Whatever, I'll grab this stick". DD > Crazy adamantium Ultron

Ultron can also open his chassis before doing so because its his body. Thanos can't do that.

Yes he did, and Daredevil hadn't confronted him until after his love-sick schizophrenia had already kicked in. And he one-shotted DD effortlessly before he started dismantling himself.

Originally posted by leonidas
i agree and disagree which is why i think the comparison itself is faulty. organics have mitigating circumstances usually--like a healing factor, control of their atomic structure, sheer willpower that allows them to go on even if their bodies are being basically destroyed. juggs went on as a skeleton. that doesn't mean juggs is more durable than adamantium, rather he has abilities to call upon that simple metal doesn't.

i also don't think it's necessarily true that thanos would tank damage better than adamantium. any blast capable of damaging adamantium would be capable of harming thanos as well imo, but thanos might be able to keep going where the metal might have been pierced. thanos was still damaged, he could just will himself through it, or heal it or use his molecular control. that makes it an uneven playing field. then there is the simple issue of the thickness of the metal to add in. cap's shield has taken blasts from galactus, but we've seen what one good blast from g did to thanos. the comparison just doesn't work in my eyes for all kinds of reasons, but i'd certainly say damaging adamantium is much more difficult than damaging thanos. putting thanos down could be more difficult than piercing a certain amount of adamantium though.

But what about when organics don't get "damaged"? The Juggs comparison is when he got pretty much destroyed by an attack that wouldn't tickle adamantium. That's not fair to compare them.

Well, he has... he's taken attacks above what the Shield can take (which is greater than adamantium). Can you name me what's the most powerful attack that adamantium has taken?

See, are you talking about damage as in destroyed skin, blood, holes, etc, or just getting hurt?

And we've only seen Thanos' healing factor at work a couple times. Do we assume he gets shredded through every attack that would damage adamantium and heals instantly, or do we assume he doesn't get damage like what's been shown?

Cap's shield took energy leaking out of a weakened Galactus that was thrown as an energy wave. And a small portion of it.
Thanos took an attack from a not weakened Galactus. Thanos' dead body took the Galactus attack that destroyed the galaxy, so there's that too.
On the other hand... Pussy King Thor damaged the shield, Full King Thor destroyed it (though I predict the alternate excuse will be used), Serpent almost effortlessly tore the thing in pieces. Downgraded Thanos with the IG shattered it with punches. Then Morlun, Hulk, and Zeus' bird have destroyed adamantium.
Thanos took attacks from actual Odin without too much damage being caused to his body. The Cosmic Cube blast didn't do any noticeable damage to his body. He walked away from multiple attacks from the Magus when he had the IG and then a blast from Adam/Magus while only being rocked.

The body is malleable. But that doesn't mean every being can take attacks that could destroy adamantium. Thickness is a good point, but it's not like Ultron is thick. A solid brick the size of Thanos would be more interesting though.

Originally posted by ODG
Ultron can also open his chassis before doing so because its his body. Thanos can't do that.

Yes he did, and Daredevil hadn't confronted him until after his love-sick schizophrenia had already kicked in. And he one-shotted DD effortlessly before he started dismantling himself.

Proof? Because he looked like he was screaming in pain...

And his love was only for her, not for DD. The reason he started pulling himself apart was because he tried to kill DD and that offended her.
That was just a stun blast. DD tanked the actual kill shots.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Nope, but I do have some common sense to teach; class is on Mon, Weds, Fri 9-10am...be there!

💃

Don't make me giggle.

Also, my CR is higher than yours.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Proof?

And his love was only for her, not for DD. The reason he started pulling himself apart was because he tried to kill DD and that offended her.
That was just a stun blast. DD tanked the actual kill shots.

Beyond common sense? I doubt him opening his own adamantium chassis is meant to be a strength feat:

I just posted a scan with his thoughts, "[i]But Daredevil is the one we are to kill! The completion of the mission is to kill the hero! No! We can rise above all that! forgiveness!"

Originally posted by ODG
Beyond common sense? I doubt him opening his own adamantium chassis is meant to be a strength feat:

I just posted a scan with his thoughts, "[i]But Daredevil is the one we are to kill! The completion of the mission is to kill the hero! No! We can rise above all that! forgiveness!"

Doom jammed his head on just by ramming it in there.

Because opening up a sliding door in your chest is the same as forcibly ripping your head off and causing yourself pain

And then you posted a scan an issue later where he said he must kill Daredevil, and then proceeded to tear himself apart because she didn't like that.

So I take it from your continuing this that you think Ultron wins? How?