Originally posted by cdtm
Why would you hope that I don't believe it, and why are you so sure he wasn't?You do know KO's can be very quick things, right? A person can be KOed, and recover, before they even drop.
Not saying that's the case with Hulk, but his eyes are clearly shut, and Herc didn't hit him in such a way to send him flying.
Comics aren't real life. When a character is knocked out, I think it's usually pretty damn clear they've been laid out. Does every time a character grimace or is drawn with their eyes closed with the panel considered to be a knock out? Because that shit happens pretty often.
I'm pretty sure Hulk wasn't knocked out based on what I've read of World War Hulk.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Also Herc in that fight was not really trying to stop the Hulk, but to help him.He understanded the pain of loosing the woman he loves.
This is true.
That being said, based on a few hits leaving him a bloody mess, Hercules might fair initially better by bracing and defending himself, but ultimately, all it's going to do is piss Hulk off. And in turn he'll sustain an even worse beating in the long run.
Banner did say that Hercules was one of the few on Earth with a prayer of ever stopping the Hulk but I don't think it's going to be from trading punches.
Originally posted by cdtm
Knocked on his side, eyes shut.Flash KO is when a fighter is knocked out for just a second, or less, and comes back from it.
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Hulk%20Fights%20F-M/HulkvsHercules13.jpg.html
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
This is true.That being said, based on a few hits leaving him a bloody mess, Hercules might fair initially better by bracing and defending himself, but ultimately, all it's going to do is piss Hulk off. And in turn he'll sustain an even worse beating in the long run.
Banner did say that Hercules was one of the few on Earth with a prayer of ever stopping the Hulk but I don't think it's going to be from trading punches.
Yes, even though I believe Herc could have put a great fight in the end Hulks Hf and dynamic strength would have eventually defeated Herc.
Originally posted by Rao Kal ElAccording to Marvel, Zeus is waaay stronger than Hercules. Considering Zeus beat the utter stuffing out of WWH and Hercules only managed to topple him briefly.
Honestly, most of their fights, they seem close,I think Hulk is stronger than Thor or Herc.Btw according to marvel Hercules is physically stronger than Zeus himself.
Originally posted by ODG
According to Marvel, Zeus is waaay stronger than Hercules. Considering Zeus beat the utter stuffing out of WWH and Hercules only managed to topple him briefly.
Ill look for the reference and post it. Not that I think is right.
Like you, I think Zeus is way stronger than Herc and the panel evidence confirms it.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Yes, even though I believe Herc could have put a great fight in the end Hulks Hf and dynamic strength would have eventually defeated Herc.
Herc can give any Herald a fight imo and can probably pull some wins but he knew he stepped knee deep when he hit WWH like that...he even admits it after WWH attacked back.
Originally posted by cdtm
Why would you hope that I don't believe it, and why are you so sure he wasn't?You do know KO's can be very quick things, right? A person can be KOed, and recover, before they even drop.
Not saying that's the case with Hulk, but his eyes are clearly shut, and Herc didn't hit him in such a way to send him flying.
He wasn't KO'ed, he hit the ground, and his eyes were closed. When Blue Marvel hit Sentry, it was pretty clear that Bob was out for several seconds. This was not the case with the Hulk, Herc situation. The Hulk was also not going all out, or his strength would have eclipsed Hercs in moments.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Honestly, most of their fights, they seem close,I think Hulk is stronger than Thor or Herc.Btw according to marvel Hercules is physically stronger than Zeus himself.
As for the Zeus comment Hercules is stronger than Zeus while Zeus is at base, and not amping. Hercules is not as strong as the Hulk when the Hulk isn't holding back. At base levels they are about the same, but the Hulk can take it up to a degree that Herc has no chance of matching.
Thor is stronger than Hercules when he cuts loose as well.
Originally posted by Stoic
As for the Zeus comment Hercules is stronger than Zeus while Zeus is at base, and not amping. Hercules is not as strong as the Hulk when the Hulk isn't holding back. At base levels they are about the same, but the Hulk can take it up to a degree that Herc has no chance of matching.Thor is stronger than Hercules when he cuts loose as well.
Many wont agree to that. I have seen threads were the win is given to Zeus even if he is not amping, just because he is a skyfater.
Now I do really wonder according to Pak how many "hercs" will be required to lift earth's weight for 5 days or tank punches from someone who can produce that force and still smile.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Many wont agree to that. I have seen threads were the win is given to Zeus even if he is not amping, just because he is a skyfater.Now I do really wonder how many "hercs" will be required to lift earth's weight for 5 days or tank punches from someone who can produce that force and still smile.
Lifting =/= striking, though.
I mean, you don't think Superman was using "planet pushing" power punches on Orion, do you? Especially when in as far as quantifiable terms go, the highest Superman's punch has been ascribed to, as far as I know, has been mountain busting?
Originally posted by JakeTheBank👆
Lifting =/= striking, though.I mean, you don't think Superman was using "planet pushing" power punches on Orion, do you? Especially when in as far as quantifiable terms go, the highest Superman's punch has been ascribed to, as far as I know, has been mountain busting?
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Lol... That's like the most overused debating tactic here when it comes to str... Handbooks 4tloss...
I don't know why it's constantly brought up. It's baffling.
Especially when we see things like a weakened Odin manhandle Ulik, dismiss Thor like he's a pest, and then do shit like effect the multiverse while only brawling. In Zeus' case, he has lower showings, way back when, but the fact he curbed Pak Hulk in H2H should prove without a doubt he's by default stronger than "herald class" guys.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Lifting =/= striking, though.I mean, you don't think Superman was using "planet pushing" power punches on Orion, do you? Especially when in as far as quantifiable terms go, the highest Superman's punch has been ascribed to, as far as I know, has been mountain busting?
Yes, It will be silly to think that someone who can bench press a planet can only level a mountain, Almost as silly as to think that you could put 133 hercs punching Hulks innards and the hercs wont do anything.
But in pak terms it will be good to know how many "hercs" will be required to bench press a planet.
I do agree however that I doubt he was hitting at full force.
As for the Zeus thing, that is Marvel's position on it, not that I think they are right as panel evidence shows them stronger, but it will be helpful to have some of their feats were we know for sure that they are not amping their strenght with their skyfather or logic defiance powers.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Yes, It will be silly to think that someone who can bench press a planet can only level a mountain, Almost as silly as to think that you could put 133 hercs punching Hulks innards and the hercs wont do anything.But in pak terms it will be good to know how many "hercs" will be required to bench press a planet.
I do agree however that I doubt he was hitting at full force.
As for the Zeus thing, that is Marvel's position on it, not that I think they are right as panel evidence shows them stronger, but it will be helpful to have some of their feats were we know for sure that they are not amping their strenght with their skyfather or logic defiance powers.
It's not at all that silly. I personally think that, yes, Superman can logically hit harder than "mountain busting", but I also doubt that he was hitting harder than that when he struck Orion. It also stands to reason that Superman's (as well as virtually any character with strength and speed) most powerful assaults are his titanic single blows instead of his blitzes. To that end, it seems illogical to projection Superman's Earth benching feat to his striking force and then project that onto Orion's durability. And while I don't think Superman was hitting his strongest blows on him, I do think he was trying to incapacitate him or render him stunned enough to be helpless and answer his questions.
And yes, the 133 Herc things is stupid beyond belief. No argument from me there.
The thing with Skyfathers like Zeus/Odin is that they're power is so broad and encompassing, it can manifest itself through sheer strength. And it does so without explicit "amping", such as growing to gargantuan sizes or whatnot.
Originally posted by Rao Kal ElI do agree however that I doubt he was hitting at full force.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
It's not at all that silly. I personally think that, yes, Superman can logically hit harder than "mountain busting", but I also doubt that he was hitting harder than that when he struck Orion. It also stands to reason that Superman's (as well as virtually any character with strength and speed) most powerful assaults are his titanic single blows instead of his blitzes. To that end, it seems illogical to projection Superman's Earth benching feat to his striking force and then project that onto Orion's durability. And while I don't think Superman was hitting his strongest blows on him, I do think he was trying to incapacitate him or render him stunned enough to be helpless and answer his questions.And yes, the 133 Herc things is stupid beyond belief. No argument from me there.
The thing with Skyfathers like Zeus/Odin is that they're power is so broad and encompassing, it can manifest itself through sheer strength. And it does so without explicit "amping", such as growing to gargantuan sizes or whatnot.
It will really be helpful to know according to Pak how many "hercs" it will be required to do what Orion did.
I agree with you that Superman was not going all out, or punching with full strength, but Orion did much better than most of the JLA member in their confrontation. So that correlation must mean something for Orion.
But I thought it will be funny and help full to measure this on "hercs" and to that matter according to Pak how much is a "Herc" or According to Pak what Herc is capable to do in a single punch.
