The whole "herc" scale seems ridiculous and overly battleboardish but it is incontrovertibly on panel. Calling it hyperbole is nonsensical since it actually accounts for an exact and quantifiable measurement of strength...which makes it the furthest thing away from hyperbole. Regular Green scars innards withstanding 133 hercs worth of force is ridiculous as it gets but it happened and can't be glossed over just because it wasn't a fine piece of comic writing.
Greg Pak was overtly clear in his agenda to powerup the hulk with ridiculous feats throughout his run on the hulk right from the start all the way through the World Breaker stuff.
Originally posted by abhilegend
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What's amusing?
You think Orion can take more than 30 all-out haymakers from Hercules? On the inside? What the hell?
I don't even know how Superman/Orion/Thor can withstand the total energy released from 15 Wonder Woman haymakers inside.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Yes, It will be silly to think that someone who can bench press a planet can only level a mountain, Almost as silly as to think that you could put 133 hercs punching Hulks innards and the hercs wont do anything.But in pak terms it will be good to know how many "hercs" will be required to bench press a planet.
I do agree however that I doubt he was hitting at full force.
As for the Zeus thing, that is Marvel's position on it, not that I think they are right as panel evidence shows them stronger, but it will be helpful to have some of their feats were we know for sure that they are not amping their strenght with their skyfather or logic defiance powers.
Pak's Hercules is plenty strong. Had him hold up Atlas' weight casually and embarass Sentry for example. Definitely an elite Top Tier strength wise.
Originally posted by Naija boy
The whole "herc" scale seems ridiculous and overly battleboardish but it is incontrovertibly on panel. Calling it hyperbole is nonsensical since it actually accounts for an exact and quantifiable measurement of strength...which makes it the furthest thing away from hyperbole. Regular Green scars innards withstanding 133 hercs worth of force is ridiculous as it gets but it happened and can't be glossed over just because it wasn't a fine piece of comic writing.Greg Pak was overtly clear in his agenda to powerup the hulk with ridiculous feats throughout his run on the hulk right from the start all the way through the World Breaker stuff.
Seriously.
What the heck is wrong with people? Never seen such desperation to disregard feats.
Now watch, Hercules' strength is going to get lowballed to make it look less impressive. So silly.
Honestly, I think this is the flat-out best relative power showing like ever from a Herald.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Seriously.What the heck is wrong with people? Never seen such desperation to disregard feats.
Now watch, Hercules' strength is going to get lowballed to make it look less impressive. So silly.
Honestly, I think this is the flat-out best relative power showing like ever from a Herald.
you ok with Hulk being that much more powerful than Hercules?
Hmm, isn't it 133 x Hercules' best punch.
Not close to the same thing as being 133 x the power of Hercules.
So, if Hulk were to cut a hole into himself, then let Hercules punch away at it as best he could, Hulk would be no worse for wear after 133 punches. But if someone managed to squeeze all the power of Hercules into one punch, that might KO Hulk (or worse).
Personally, I think HOTM's 1000xWendigo/BiBeast etc is proof positive that Hulk can instantly go from high herald to trans (and beyond) in terms of physical power (both durability and force), so no problems with the feat.
Also, iirc, Hulk withstood the power of a whole universe of energy pouring through him in Heroes Reborn. A feat akin to Surfer's use of the Crunch Energies (only exponentially more impressive, since he withstood those energies flooding out of him, rather than manipulated and "surfed" their waves).
Originally posted by janus77
Hmm, isn't it 133 x Hercules' best punch.
Not close to the same thing as being 133 x the power of Hercules.So, if Hulk were to cut a hole into himself, then let Hercules punch away at it as best he could, Hulk would be no worse for wear after 133 punches. But if someone managed to squeeze all the power of Hercules into one punch, that might KO Hulk (or worse).
Personally, I think HOTM's 1000xWendigo/BiBeast etc is proof positive that Hulk can instantly go from high herald to trans (and beyond) in terms of physical power (both durability and force), so no problems with the feat.
Also, iirc, Hulk withstood the power of a whole universe of energy pouring through him in Heroes Reborn. A feat akin to Surfer's use of the Crunch Energies (only exponentially more impressive, since he withstood those energies flooding out of him, rather than manipulated and "surfed" their waves).
I'm a major Hulk fan but I don't like the route that they're going with him. The super speed thing is a no brainer to me. Hulk should be very fast. However, he doesn't have the versatility to be trans IMO. I don't think he should be beating Surfer. In a fist fight, Hulk should be able to handle with trans, but I don't see how he could beat them otherwise.
Originally posted by 753
I think surfer channeled them through his body too, hence his near death.now, regarding hulk, shit writing is still canon writing and not really up for debate. hulk has the feat. of course, it's not his average, but it's still there.
but what's the definition of trans on these boards? I don't think Hulk qualifies.
Originally posted by Raisen
I'm a major Hulk fan but I don't like the route that they're going with him. The super speed thing is a no brainer to me. Hulk should be very fast. However, he doesn't have the versatility to be trans IMO. I don't think he should be beating Surfer. In a fist fight, Hulk should be able to handle with trans, but I don't see how he could beat them otherwise.
Thankfully, they fleshed out the character more and improved Banner leaps and bounds (though the recent SHIELD shit with Hulk being Savage and Banner being distrusting of him ... anyway).
Remember Hulk ripping "The Celestial Flame" or decapitating Nightmare in his own realm (and, last I recall, Nightmare's still frightened by Hulk) or smashing Galaxy Master (basically an energy construct) ... He wouldn't be Hulk if he couldn't just smash it to shit, when it really matters.
The numbers, the issue with being x times as strong/powerful ... I think it can only work if you accept what Marvel stated about him being "infinitely powerful" back when guys like Leader, Samson et al were attempting to measure his strength.
Originally posted by Raisen
but what's the definition of trans on these boards? I don't think Hulk qualifies.
So if Hulk had Ronan's "universal weapon", I'd imagine nobody would (apart from the curry kid) deny Hulk was atleast Trans level if not more.
Not that it means much, there are hardly any sub-skyfather characters who Hulk can't beat up if it came to a brawl. And if he's going HOTM, then you can just remove that last caveat, imo.
Originally posted by 753
I think surfer channeled them through his body too, hence his near death.now, regarding hulk, shit writing is still canon writing and not really up for debate. hulk has the feat. of course, it's not his average, but it's still there.
His body was beat to shit by T&A's assaults and then when he got "splashed" by the Crunch Energies ... whereas T&A got completely washed in them. He wouldn't survive those energies, as Galactus stated not even he could survive them long.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Seriously.What the heck is wrong with people? Never seen such desperation to disregard feats.
Now watch, Hercules' strength is going to get lowballed to make it look less impressive. So silly.
Honestly, I think this is the flat-out best relative power showing like ever from a Herald.
It is sad and terribly hypocritical. The problem is that they are assuming their conclusions based off preconceived notions of what hulks power level should be. This kind of reasoning is entirely fallacious and indicative of overwhelming bias. It doesn't matter that writer goes to hilariously blatant extents to pass across the message that even pre worldbreaker, hulks powerlevel was being elevated like never before. Because it looks ridiculous and doesn't sound "right", it is to be ignored. Heck I had a whole battlezone with arguing against the absurd rationalization that WBH (not even regular greenscar. Lol) was of the similar strength levels to the likes of Thor and Savage hulk.
With such mindsets, what is actually portrayed in the comic as well as authors intent might as well be irrelevant.