Barsen'thor vs Count Dooku

Maybe. What made you think that? It could make sense but I wouldn't jump to conclusions. She could, or she could not have been appointed yet.

Sure, but he still had the nexus advantage and the advantage of the Knight having to fight to get to him.

But they weren't on a nexus so powerful that it disables blasters. And the Emperor obviously had better defenses.

I'm 99% sure that the Encyclopedia says Vitiate draws strength from his minions. I'll try to find the quote.

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6:52, the Consular holds back Syo's saber with her force powers, then curbstomps him ala force push.

Still I think Dooku edges out victory.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Still I think Dooku edges out victory.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Is it specifically said that they grant him power? If anything he should be stronger without having to imbue them with a portion of his strength. And even then, only if the Jedi Knight storyline occurs after the Consular one. Given that the Jedi Knight is the only one without seeing Surresh as Supreme Chancellor, theres no way to really tell. Either way, Vitiate recovers his strength if you go to rescue your love interest, he was on a phenomenally powerful darkside nexus and the HoT had to fight through Kaas City and the Imperial Guard to get to him.

Neither would I. Except that he lacks the feats necessary to proclaim him as such. Maybe SWTORE says something about him?

Mizukage Yoda have a point; it remains to be seen that what kind of effect the loss of First Son had on Vitiate.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
How Dooku will overcome such a prodigy is beyond me. Their is virtually nothing Dooku can throw at Bersen'thor that she cannot handle. On the contrary, Bersen'thor can be extremely potent with her Force powers (a feat on page 1 proves this).

Because Dooku is a genius who's studied the force for nearly 8 decades? And while logically the Barsen'thor should have Tutaminis, there are several times in the storyline where they gets blasted with lightning, and are unable to counter it. The only time they do counter it against Darth Lachriss.

Well he does dodge Vivicar's apprentices lightning twice.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Well he does dodge Vivicar's apprentices lightning twice.

And he gets blasted by the First Son's and one of the Children's lightning.

Dooku's lightning is superior to some random Child of the Emperor.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Because Dooku is a genius who's studied the force for nearly 8 decades? And while logically the Barsen'thor should have Tutaminis, there are several times in the storyline where they gets blasted with lightning, and are unable to counter it. The only time they do counter it against Darth Lachriss.

I wouldn't rely on a game to determine if a character have Tutaminis capabilities or not (CIP: Revan) but it is obvious that the player story-lines represent prodigiously talented individuals. Sheer evidence coupled with canon information suggests that Bersen'thor outguns Dooku; she is very capable at using the Force for destructive capabilities and defeated "a master of the Force" level opponent. Dooku, while being impressive, have never been acknowledged as "a master of the Force" level individual in canon; he simply isn't. The odds are heavily against him in this fight.

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Also, while I was playing SWTOR recently, somebody shook the entire Jedi Temple with his Force powers. Upon inquiry, I found out that it is work of a player with Bersen'thor character. Man, that was scary. Of-course, this game doesn't features destructible environments; some game engine(s) support destructible environments.

Who are you to judge that Dooku isn't a master of the force?

Just asking.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Studying the Force for long periods does not necessarily grants advantage; several examples support my point. While a necessary component to improve command of the Force, studying the Force would make difference on "qualitative" aspects. For example: Darth Bane acquired excellent wealth of knowledge and got the opportunity to hone his skills in better ways then many others in his era in comparison to him accordingly.

"The best of all would be the strongest student, yes? Wisest? Most learned in the ways of the Force? Best of all, Dooku would be! Our greatest student! Our greatest failure."

I wouldn't rely on a game to determine if a character have Tutaminis capabilities or not (CIP: Revan) but it is obvious that the player story-lines represent prodigiously talented individuals. Sheer evidence coupled with canon information suggests that Bersen'thor outguns Dooku; she is very capable at using the Force for destructive capabilities and defeated "a master of the Force" level opponent. Dooku, while being impressive, have never been acknowledged as "a master of the Force" level individual in canon; he simply isn't. The odds are heavily against him in this fight.

Yes he is. Multiple times. He was the most powerful Jedi Master of his time sans Yoda and maybe Windu. And are you seriously suggesting that we just...give someone an ability because they "should" have it.

Also, while I was playing SWTOR recently, somebody shook the entire Jedi Temple with his Force powers. Upon inquiry, I found out that it is work of a player with Bersen'thor character. Man, that was scary. Of-course, this game doesn't features destructible environments; some game engine(s) support destructible environments.

What? I don't remember this.

My Consular has an ability that uses Shatterpoint. Does that mean that the Barsen'thor has Shatterpoint or can we safely call that non-canon?

Pretty sure Dooku is called a "master of the Force" in his entry in the Encyclopedia. Not that it matters, given the array of other impressive feats and accolades tied to his name.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
I'm 99% sure that the Encyclopedia says Vitiate draws strength from his minions. I'll try to find the quote.

Don't have a page number, but it's found the page/s about Vitiate's servants, specifically the Hands.

"Servants of the Hand share their master's longevity, living untouched by [age?] for centuries under his command. In return, the Emperor draws on his servants' strength in the Force and body to feed his ever increasing power [...?]."

Sorry, took a photo of it on my iPhone and zoomed too far in.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Don't have a page number, but it's found the page/s about Vitiate's servants, specifically the Hands.

"Servants of the Hand share their master's longevity, living untouched by [age?] for centuries under his command. In return, the Emperor draws on his servants' strength in the Force and body to feed his ever increasing power [...?]."

Sorry, took a photo of it on my iPhone and zoomed too far in.

Then I think it's fairly safe to assume that he'd draw on the power of his children as well then.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Who are you to judge that Dooku isn't a master of the force?

Just asking.

Some characters actually have received "master of the Force" accolade in Star Wars encyclopedia(s). Dooku haven't received this kind of accolade in any canonical source.

Dooku is among the greatest legends and greatest losses for the Jedi Order but their is lot of room for creative liberties with the term "among the" involved.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
"The best of all would be the strongest student, yes? Wisest? Most learned in the ways of the Force? Best of all, Dooku would be! Our greatest student! Our greatest failure."

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Yes he is. Multiple times. He was the most powerful Jedi Master of his time sans Yoda and maybe Windu. And are you seriously suggesting that we just...give someone an ability because they "should" have it.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
What? I don't remember this.

One more thing:

Their can be hundreds better then Dooku and he would still qualify for "among the" position since Jedi Order have a huge history. So this doesn't lowballs him.

Legend, you are straight up crazy if you don't think Dooku is a Force Master. He's one of the very best.

If Dooku's not a Force Master then who is in the PT/OT era? Just Yoda and Sidious?

Of course the Jedi Temple's "Most learned in the ways of the Force" (according to Yoda) is a Master of the Force.