Barsen'thor vs Count Dooku

Nephthys
Unlike the Barsen'thor, Yoda is unwilling to attack people with the Force

Nephthys
I didn't concede shit.

You
If by ragdolling you mean, 'pushed over a chair', then sure.

Nephthys
I don't acknowledge it as an actual attack. That would require harmful intent, which I'm not convinced Yoda had when he... pushed Sidious over a chair.

Perhaps he just wanted him to stop laughing.

Nope.

Give up what? Mizukage didn't even attempt to contradict me because however dishonest it may or may not be, my argument is unassailable fact.

😂

No one gives a shit what you do or do not acknowledge as anything. You're an admitted liar and that confession taints everything you post in the context of a debate.

You said Yoda is unwilling to attack people with the Force, you've been proven wrong with G-canon evidence. You can posture all you like that Yoda was just giving Sidious the equivalent of a friendly shove on the playground when he hurled him across the room and over a chair... but that's all it will be: posturing.

As usual, you lose. Like the girls who collected your lunch money during each and every school day, I graciously accept your concession.

Time for you to carry on in the shadow of contempt.

/discussion

I sense the shitstorm you're brewing in the cauldron of insecurity, but don't bother weeping: the "vitriol" is all a farce.

(like your argument)

Actually, I specifically said 'unwilling' there because I knew that someone was going to point this out like a giant tool. Now I'm just a simple country homosexual, but it seems to me *thumbs suspenders* that 'unwilling' doesn't mean 'will never do it ever'. So you see, I never claimed that he never attacked ever, only that he was disinclined to do so. Once again, it seems there is nothing you can nitpick that I cannot bullshit my way out of.

Also, nope x 2 combo! No matter what you say, an attack needs to be harmful or with the intent to cause harm. Yodas 'attack' was not. Therefore the attack was a lie. A distaction from reality, much like this pointless nitpicky nonsense you're saying. Next time you feel like interrupting, go read Twilight again instead. 😆

So, to recap: You said Yoda is unwilling to attack, I prove Yoda is willing to attack, I win, you lose?

Nah.

So completely random thought, if someone were to have hypothetically read all the Twilight books, watched Angel and Buffy the vampire slayer and watched True Blood and the Vampire Diaries..... would that make them officially an emo gothy loser? I think it does. You'd have to be pretty damn lame to like all that crappy vampire stuff.

# You are this loser #It is you # Also you're black # And thats terrible # Hashtags 4 lyfe

Your attempt to change the subject is wise.

So are True Blood and the Vampire Diaries exactly the kind of super gay Desperate Housewives-but-with-vampires horseshite that I think they are, or are they even lamer and more pandering? I bet they're stock dramas about whose porking who except with sickly brooding pretty boys moaning about how tortured their souls are before simmering at the cameras.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Nah.

Also you're black # And thats terrible

Of course not. Some of my best murders were of colored folks.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I didn't concede shit. I don't acknowledge it as an actual attack. That would require harmful intent, which I'm not convinced Yoda had when he... pushed Sidious over a chair.

Perhaps he just wanted him to stop laughing.

And perhaps you want me to laugh, because that's what that argument is making me do.

Give up what? Mizukage didn't even attempt to contradict me because however dishonest it may or may not be, my argument is unassailable fact.

Dude your ESB quote is a red herring. That was Yoda twenty years ago after he realized that going out with murderous attempt backfires on you.

Or did you miss the whole third of ROTS where he was saying "destroy the Sith we must".

Originally posted by Nephthys

Did I say it was a retcon? I added that quote to explain why Yoda [b]didn't attack Dooku in their fight. The explanation is perfectly plausible for Yoda's very real non-actions in that fight.

I'm not scripting the fight you baboon, merely pointing out that Yoda canonically never attacked Dooku in their duel. [/B]

Does redirecting Dooku's lightning not classify as an attack? It would have hit Dooku in the face iirc if Dooku didn't block it.

As for the ESB quote, he was teaching Luke Jedi philosophy. That the force is used for defense, never for attack.

I think attacking a Sith Lord whose just murdered hundreds of Jedi and is about to either start a war, or take over the Galaxy, counts as defending oneself or others.

Anyway, I'll be waiting for Tempests apology for accusing me of things I didn't do. Any time you're ready bro. 👆

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Does redirecting Dooku's lightning not classify as an attack? It would have hit Dooku in the face iirc if Dooku didn't block it.

As for the ESB quote, he was teaching Luke Jedi philosophy. That the force is used for defense, never for attack.

Nah, reflecting someones attack back at them isn't you yourself attacking them, is it?

Yeah, he says that Luke should be 'calm, at peace, passive' and warns him against 'aggression.'

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I think attacking a Sith Lord whose just murdered hundreds of Jedi and is about to either start a war, or take over the Galaxy, counts as defending oneself or others.

That sounds like defense to me!

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Did you forget Yoda shoving a pod in Sidious' direction with killer intent?

The pod would never have hit Sidious. In fact, it flies past him before he even jumps out of the way.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
And perhaps you want me to laugh, because that's what that argument is making me do.

The fact that Yoda trying to destroy Sidious somehow translates into him shoving him over his desk is rather amusing, I will admit. But then, thats why he's the most devastatingly powerful Jedi ever, right?!

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Dude your ESB quote is a red herring. That was Yoda twenty years ago after he realized that going out with murderous attempt backfires on you.

Or did you miss the whole third of ROTS where he was saying "destroy the Sith we must".

Or its an explanation for why he never offensively use the Force against opponents. Such as in his fight against Dooku. Just admit that bringing up that fight in regards to his chances against the Barsen'thor is irrelevent.

I already addressed that in my earlier post.

Have to side with Nephthys here.

Since I have nothing to apologize for, don't hold your breath. 😬

You came, you lied, you lost. It's a microcosm of your life's tragic narrative.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
You came,

Originally posted by The_Tempest
It's a microcosm of your life's tragic narrative.

naughty

Haha no. 😐

Lets have a look at your post shall we? It should be clear to all how uninformed and bullshit it is:

Originally posted by The_Tempest facepalm

No one forgot the quote from TESB; you apparently forgot he issued that edict twenty years after the quotes provided by Mizukage_Yoda. Not a retcon, dumbass. 👆

And I'm pretty sure I recall Yoda ragdolling Sidious with impunity in ROTS. And just like that, your theory that Yoda never uses the Force offensively goes up in smoke. That's a better magic trick than the Joker's lame ass schtick with the pencil.

We argue what characters are capable of, not scripting the fight due to morals or PIS. Might as well say Yoda or Dooku will pwn Barsen'thor since he has to stop for a dialogue option before the fight begins.

Start using your head for something other than a seat cushion, Neph.

I have no idea what you're talking about with the retcon. I've not argued anything was retconned, so you're blatantly misinterpreting or starwmanning my argument here.

Furthermore I never said never. I never said that Yoda would never attack, now did I? I said unwilling. You claiming that my theory is that 'Yoda never uses the Force offensively' is false as I never claimed that. Never. Ever never ever.

To go even further beyond, you claim that I'm scripting the fight due to morals or PIS. I'm obviously not. Yoda isn't even a part of this thread, so how can I be scripting the fight based upon his morals? Did you even read the threads title before you decided to jump in half cocked and throw your weight around like an absurd drunken old west sheriff, desperate to maintain the illusion that you're still 'in charge'? The fact that Yoda never attacked Dooku with the Force and actually bringing his Force powers against him in just that, a fact. I am not scripting anything, just pointing out something that renders Mizukages point moot. Learn to read moron

And finally I don't own any chairs so it would be impossible for me to use my head as a seat cushion you F*CKING RETARD!

Your outrage is amusing.

You claimed Yoda is unwilling to attack and tied your remark to a line that came twenty years after Yoda's brawling days were over. And it was about as buoyant as a cinder block, dragging your argument into the depths of deceit and stupidity.

Yoda's conduct in battle has shown that he's willing to attack his enemy with the Force.

You were wrong, I was right, and it's about time you accept that the nature of our relationship isn't going to change.

And now the federal government is on our side.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Concession accepted.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Trained from a young age. Some nightsisters were capable of FL.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
She was able to Force Choke Kenobi and Skywalker at once. She's fairly formidable.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
You checked wrong. Dooku put Savage down with Force lighting time after time.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Pure PIS/CIS that Dooku didn't just put him down with the force everytime they met.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Dooku fought on par with Yoda, who is far more powerful than the Barsen'thor. The Barsen'thor is not more impressive than the greatest Grand Master in history.

And Yoda is far more powerful then Barsen'thor? Give me a break.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
First off the spelling is Barsen'thor

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Second, Dooku has the hype of being one of the most powerful Jedi in the order's 25,000 year history.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Third, Dooku fought on par with Yoda, who is the most powerful Jedi Master in history. That's more hype than the Barsen'thor could eer hope to achieve.