DCNU Superman vs Masterson Thor

Originally posted by carver9
Nothing against what Bada or Zack said but I don't think thats enough to warrant a majority against Masterson...he didn't even affect H'el with his punches.

Then you keep bringing up pre reboot Superman...this isn't him in this battle.

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Originally posted by carver9
@Bada...

Yeah, I know Supes can give Masterson a fight and could probably pull the majority but fts on both ends would be amazing. The fts you've named are amazing but Masterson have some good showings as well.

Only to contradict yourself. Seriously, am I missing something here? Are you arguing just for the sake of arguing? Are you hoping someone here just tells you OKAY carver Superman will lose? Seriously, like hope of the hate on Superman dude

Carver is not hating. Maybe lowballing, but I think he just wishes a good debate would start. Unfortunately people don't see it that way.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
You understand that in the same topic you have posted that

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Only to contradict yourself. Seriously, am I missing something here? Are you arguing just for the sake of arguing? Are you hoping someone here just tells you OKAY carver Superman will lose? Seriously, like hope of the hate on Superman dude

No, I made this hoping arguments could be made on both end...Superman and Masterson. I don't care who gets the majority or not. Where in this thread did I give Masterson the majority over Superman.

Originally posted by carver9
No, I made this hoping arguments could be made on both end...Superman and Masterson. I don't care who gets the majority or not. Where in this thread did I give Masterson the majority over Superman.

Not as familiar with Masterson Thor (hated the character tbh). What "feats" does the guy have besides who he's fought?

IMO, Gladiator and DCnU would be a good fight. Someone should make a thread....

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Originally posted by xJLxKing
You are clearly trying to instigate any kind of debate by lowballing. You say that Superman can probably get a majority. Then, you change stance and say you don't think that those feats or whatever was posted warrants a majority.

I never said he would pull a majority, I said he could PROBABLY pull one. I also said those fts are not outside of something Masterson has done which is the reason I think this fight is competitive. I know of every ft Bada and Zack named, that's the reason I made this thread; not because I thought Masterson was featless, I made this thread because I knew Masterson had potential, enough potential to make this fight "debatable" imo. I didn't discredit anyone in here on their judgment but I did ask them why they came to the conclusion that lead them to Superman winning since again, I know what Masterson is capable of. Can we get back on topic? Who are you voting for?

Originally posted by xJLxKing
You are clearly trying to instigate any kind of debate by lowballing. You say that Superman can probably get a majority. Then, you change stance and say you don't think that those feats or whatever was posted warrants a majority.

To be fair, he didn't really "change stance".

One statement mentions him feeling that Superman can get the majority and the other states that he doesn't feel like the "feats" mentioned are sufficient to prove the point of Superman taking the majority. One does not contradict the other, IMO as one CAN believe a certain character can win even though he doesn't have the "feat" evidence in front of him (such as when he bases his conclusion on perceived "power levels"😉.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
To be fair, he didn't really "change stance".

One statement mentions him feeling that Superman can get the majority and the other states that he doesn't feel like the "feats" mentioned are sufficient to prove the point of Superman taking the majority. One does not contradict the other, IMO as one CAN believe a certain character can win even though he doesn't have the "feat" evidence in front of him (such as when he bases his conclusion on perceived "power levels"😉.

Pretty much.

Originally posted by JBL
Feats from a hero vs feats from a rarely used character determines nothing. Superman has better feats that most characters that would destroy him.

SM's feats don't suggest he'd beat odin either. they're nowhere near his level.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Not as familiar with Masterson Thor (hated the character tbh). What "feats" does the guy have besides who he's fought?

IMO, Gladiator and DCnU would be a good fight. Someone should make a thread....

Basically a lesser Thor with some good feats.

He's got a terrible track history against certain characters, but all in all he's basically a slightly less consistent Thor.

Masterson took a shot from Gladiator and survived; in carver's mind that makes him trans.

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Originally posted by JBL
So you mean that characters like spiderman, batman, captain america, black cat, green arrow and wasp would survive against characters like firelord, hulk, juggernaut, grundy, doomsday and darkside in a forum battle like they survive in a comic?

No.

Just that "he only succeeds cos he's the hero" isn't a valid debating tactic.

Originally posted by JBL
He could not even beat wonder woman and he was bloodlusted and trying to kill her. Gladiator would maul superman. But i know about you, superman beats silver surfer in your world.lol. Waste of time debating you, OH, he can beat thanos too huh? lol

Superman wins. Anybody saying different gets a 3 warning to a ban combo. sneer

Unless they kneel before liZod. biscuits

Originally posted by 753
he would not. SM and gladiator have identical powersets, but SM has better feats in every single one of their powers. His high feats are much higher and his average is roughly the same as gladiator's highs. He does have worse low showings IMO, but he has a lot more appearence too.

I disagree. Current Superman has displayed Planetary strength but so has Gladiator. I don't see Current Superman swimming around in gas giants. I also don't see Current Supes tanking a blast with the power to destroy half of a solar system. I don't see Superman containing said blast to the point where it created an entire star. His flight speed has been impressive...don't know if it 100 times the speed of light impressive but its impressive. Hyperbole...if we are going by statements, Gladiator still wins (most powerful being in the Universe, powerful In the Galaxy, etc, etc...).

I see alot of superman VS Thor debates on here and it always goes toward Superman. I actually liked thunderstrike But as both thunderstrike and Thor Masterson is below beta ray bill who is arguably below the real Thor so I don't see how anyone can try and make a valid argument in Masterson's favor without being written off.
Even with feats it's hard. He got beaten up by Loki while wielding both thors and betas hammers while normal Thor beats Loki up. His showings are just below normal Thor who is arguably at the disadvantage against superman and with all this lifting the planets weight business DCnU supes is being seen as stronger than his Pre-flashpoint self. It's not a good time to be Masterson.

Going all out he gets 1/10

Originally posted by carver9
I disagree. Current Superman has displayed Planetary strength but so has Gladiator. I don't see Current Superman swimming around in gas giants. I also don't see Current Supes tanking a blast with the power to destroy half of a solar system. I don't see Superman containing said blast to the point where it created an entire star. His flight speed has been impressive...don't know if it 100 times the speed of light impressive but its impressive. Hyperbole...if we are going by statements, Gladiator still wins (most powerful being in the Universe, powerful In the Galaxy, etc, etc...).

Originally posted by abhilegend
When he was mindcontrolled. A mindcontrolled gladiator was KTFO by Gambit. I'll let you decide which is worse.

When was Gladiator knocked out by Gambit?

Originally posted by carver9
I disagree. Current Superman has displayed Planetary strength but so has Gladiator. I don't see Current Superman swimming around in gas giants. I also don't see Current Supes tanking a blast with the power to destroy half of a solar system. I don't see Superman containing said blast to the point where it created an entire star. His flight speed has been impressive...don't know if it 100 times the speed of light impressive but its impressive. Hyperbole...if we are going by statements, Gladiator still wins (most powerful being in the Universe, powerful In the Galaxy, etc, etc...).

lol.

Originally posted by JBL
WW was holding back. She could have killed him. Stop trying to use that mindcontrolled crap, he was going all-out, not holding back and got punches in and WW still could have killed him. I recall you stating that if superman goes out of his mind, he would be this unstoppable force???? Now you use it as a excuse to say thats the reason WW could have killed him?? You have no idea how you trap yourself with your own words.

People who are mentally compromised, and Superman WAS mentally compromised, aren't considered fighting at their best.

Originally posted by -Pr-
People who are mentally compromised, and Superman WAS mentally compromised, aren't considered fighting at their best.