DCNU Superman vs Masterson Thor

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Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Are we implying his power was lower or that he was just fighting not as skillful as he usually does against WW?

Because his power should have been at its height. He was just fighting like a brute. Not so far out of the way of his average, but definitely not as skillful as his "best"

Skill wise. Power comes in to it too, though, as a well placed punch can do more damage than a wild swing. He was still a fair bit more powerful than his average though.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Thor was also actively telepathically compromised by that Valkyrie phantom, yet it is commonly held consensus on this board that Blood and Thunder Thor was a bloodlusted Thor. Ergo, that means Superman, under somewhat similar scenarios, was also bloodlusted.

He was, in his mind, fighting Doomsday in both cases. Knowing the kind of destruction the monster has caused, and what it takes to stop him, and then not holding back his punches in both cases to beat down his opponnent, why would that imply that one case was him fighting "intelligently" and the other was him "mentally compromised"?

A friend of mine on cbr told me that the animated film was pretty much a rip-off of the comic. Did that staging bit get revealed in the end in the comic?

That makes it right? Rucka himself said Superman was compromised and wasn't operating at his best, but we're still arguing that this is a really high showing for Superman?

Because it was flat out stated that he was compromised due to his grief and rage.

In the comic it was just Superman. The animated version was quite faithful, though with some small changes.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I went back to check the Superman/DD vs the Probes, and I realized for the first time after many viewings, that Doomsday was biting a Probes' leg.

😂

👆

Also, one can forgive supes for being a bit surprised when Doomsday threw a MAGICAL TIARA at him. Unless Doomsday has a princess complex, not sure how supes was supposed to defend against attacks that he had no reason to think would be coming at him. Also, wondy fought smart, and how often does doomsday fight smart? i think people are seriously underestimating what a disadvantage it is to be fighting someone completely different than who you think you are fighting.

There is a reason mma, boxers, etc. study the person they are about to fight and see how they fight. If one person thought they were fighting someone totally different than who they were actually fighting, they'd be at a huge disadvantage.

Originally posted by carver9
Stalemating Thor, beating Gladiator, knocking an amped Thanos some miles with a hammer toss, having the advantage against Quasar. Not naming everything but he does have some good showings. That's why I am asking for fts from this Superman.

Oh come now, let's stop being disingenuous, shall we? Gladiator whooped that ass until he started monologuing over a fallen Masterson who had to resort to calling upon Living Lightning to interfere.

Originally posted by batdude123
Oh come now, let's stop being disingenuous, shall we? Gladiator whooped that ass until he started monologuing over a fallen Masterson who had to resort to calling upon Living Lightning to interfere.

I know Gladiator destroyed him but I'm still bringing it up because Gladiator ego got in the way which caused him the loss.

Originally posted by carver9
I know Gladiator destroyed him but I'm still bringing it up because Gladiator ego got in the way which caused him the loss.

Do you think Superman's ego would get in the way of him beating Masterson?

Originally posted by batdude123
Do you think Superman's ego would get in the way of him beating Masterson?

Gladiator and Superman fighting style is different. Gladiator was fighting Masterson with the intent to kill. Don't see Superman fighting Masterson in that fashion.

Originally posted by carver9
Gladiator and Superman fighting style is different. Gladiator was fighting Masterson with the intent to kill. Don't see Superman fighting Masterson in that fashion.

He couldn't have been fighting to end him quickly if he gave Masterson time to call upon Living Lightning... and that's obvious. Superman is infinitely smarter than Gladiator. In battle, and in everything else.

Thor would lay his hammer down to call down his lightning, and Superman would fly right into it knocking himself out cold.

Carv lay down some funky scans backing me up

I dont see what the issue with SM vs WW is. he was obvisouly going to win. it wasnt a low showing. I personally do not think he was performing under his average, quite the opposite, he was somewhat above it, although it still wasnt his very best.

Its funny that superman only punched Wonder Woman once in WW 219 and KTFO her. He was also breaking her bones like twig. Why is that a low showing for him? Because he ceased to attack diana after she broke the mind control on him just after she slit his throat? It was not her slitting his throat which stopped him, superman has his throat slit open by a kryptonite batman and he was still fighting. It was the breaking of mind control that stopped him.

Its funny that superman only punched Wonder Woman once in WW 219 and KTFO her. He was also breaking her bones like twig. Why is that a low showing for him? Because he ceased to attack diana after she broke the mind control on him just after she slit his throat? It was not her slitting his throat which stopped him, superman has his throat slit open by a kryptonite batman and he was still fighting. It was the breaking of mind control that stopped him.

^Why'd you double post?

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
^Why'd you double post?

Accident. It happens.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Its funny that superman only punched Wonder Woman once in WW 219 and KTFO her. He was also breaking her bones like twig. Why is that a low showing for him? Because he ceased to attack diana after she broke the mind control on him just after she slit his throat? It was not her slitting his throat which stopped him, superman has his throat slit open by a kryptonite batman and he was still fighting. It was the breaking of mind control that stopped him.
No, but who cares. WW held back and he hit her as hard as he could while being in close proximity to the sun. WW won the fight.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Accident. It happens.

Fair enough. The 5 minute gap between the posts suggests something though: do you have problems with your wifi/broadband/usb connection speed?

Originally posted by quanchi112

he hit her as hard as he could while being in close proximity to the sun.

mmm

Wait a minute ... if Superman and Wonder Woman were near the sun in that fight, what is that big yellow thing in the background?
The sun doesn't look like that from MY window ...

Split

If memory serves, it was Masterson that faced Classic Juggernaut.

If not, oh well, but, if so, it means he's proven himself capable of beating a powerhouse who is completely invulnerable even to ordinary top-tier force, which DCnU Superman, decidedly, is not ...

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Source: Thor #429, Volume 1
Writer: Tom DeFalco
Penciller: Ron Frenz
Date: February 1991
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http://marvel.wikia.com/Thor_Vol_1_429