Originally posted by bluewaterrider
😕Am I missing something?
Fernus f***ed Superman UP when he did no more than phase him into the JLA coffee table.
Why should he do any better against a woman who has that type of attack as her primary superpower?
Because Shadowcat lacks all the other powers that J'onn would have needed to use in concert to hold Superman in place.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Shadowcat lacks all the other powers that J'onn would have needed to use in concert to hold Superman in place.
Review JLA v1 #86, Pr.
Fernus stayed behind, true, but he wasn't staying behind to make sure Superman stayed in place. He was just lying in wait for the rest of the Justice League. Once part of the JLA table was phased into Superman, that was pretty much it for him. He needed no further handling; his team had to use extraordinary efforts after that point to revive him, there was no fight left in him after that.
Hulk is actually the other reason I'm thinking Shadowcat win.
For Hulk himself, in his powerful "World War" form was almost defeated by Kitty. I cannot remember if it was his healing factor (which is portrayed as far superior to Superman's in most instances) that saved Hulk or if Hulk just managed to tough through the pain until that overload technique wore off.
I'm pretty sure it was the former, though, that Kitty's attack was the whole reason Beast realized they needed to neutralize Hulk's healing factor before the team could bring Hulk down.
I'm not seeing how Superman going through his normal fight paces avoids this kind of treatment.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Hulk is actually the other reason I'm thinking Shadowcat win.For Hulk himself, in his powerful "World War" form was almost defeated by Kitty. I cannot remember if it was his healing factor (which is portrayed as far superior to Superman's in most instances) that saved Hulk or if Hulk just managed to tough through the pain until that overload technique wore off.
I'm pretty sure it was the former, though, that Kitty's attack was the whole reason Beast realized they needed to neutralize Hulk's healing factor before the team could bring Hulk down.
I'm not seeing how Superman going through his normal fight paces avoids this kind of treatment.
So you're assuming Superman fights like an idiot, and Kitty fights at optimal capacity? No offense, but that's how it's sounding...
I mean, even if her power set isn't common knowledge, he could probably tell what her trick is with his vision powers.. And it's not like he's not a lot faster, more mobile, and can simply avoid being touched, until he figures her out.
Originally posted by carver9
Supergirl fts doesn't belong to superman.
A feat courtesy of training by Flash, his JLA teammate.
Feats are king, but we don't throw away common sense either.. (E.g., there may or may not be proof that Batman trained the entire JLA like he trained Kyle and Superman, but it stands to reason he'd train the entire JLA.)
Supermans dealt with phasing fine, too. A bunch of guys with phase tech hurt him, but couldn't keep him down.
Originally posted by carver9
Supergirl fts doesn't belong to superman.
Even if they did, Supergirl herself betrays vulnerability to this kind of assault. I no longer remember the issue number, but this was shown in the episode where Kara went against Sakki the hate-furnace and Gakidou, a woman with powers fairly similar to Shadowcat's own ...
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=13892194
Originally posted by abhilegendI doubt it. recent descriptions of her power state it projects an inexplicable field from within her, which is why she can phase other objects. on the other hand, her power has, in the past, been described as her spinning her subatomic particles around those of the matter she phases through, but that isnt vibrating them and she could probably spin them around superman's vibrating ones too, regardless of them "occupying" a wider range in space by high frequency vibration.
Superman has been phased in ground before. He came out looking fine after that. His way of intangibility is also like kitty, no reason he can't counter it with his own intangibility.
