Shadow Cat vs Superman

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
It's not a deflection. That's what your words mean in the English language in this context, whether you realize it or not, whether you acknowledge it or not.

Now, presumably, you're calling this a "deflection" because you mentioned something about an edit. Worked into a frenzy or some such?

But DCnU Superman is like that in other instances as well.
A good case-in-point is that "Major Force" encounter you guys were talking about a few weeks ago:

It looks like deflection to me. You posted "Superman savage brutally assaulting Batman" and I countered it. Then you went on about me suggesting we use New 52.

You can get into semantics all you want. Fact is you looked way too much into a post meant to address why Abhi used a preboot scan.

Should I not do that? I suppose. Something as simple as that apparently goes over your head.

I'm well aware of it. I responded to it earlier. I told you that wasn't a fight. I said Superman is more willing to act than just take shit from people like his older pre-flashpoint counterpart. He comes off as a bully, but like I said earlier that does not make him a savage brute who doesn't think or figure out his opponent's capabilities.

Are we going to go in circles?

Superman, If i recall heatvision can still affect her molecules.

Keep your insults, Zack.

It's real simple.

Every phasing attack I've known to be used on Superman has proven enormously effective on Superman. Fernus put him into shock by doing no more than phasing pieces of a table into him.

The fact that Superman himself can vibrate through objects did nothing to protect him from that.

Supergirl has the same ability to vibrate through objects. To "Phase" if you will. This did not help her against Gakidou.

Kryptonian ability to "vibrate" or "go intangible" or whatever you wish to call it, does not protect against other objects being phased into them and them being debilitated by it.

I do not see where Superman, preboot OR DCnU has come up with any response to this. If you know of one that appears in the comics, please show it. I have not yet seen it. Until I do, I cannot conclude other than that DCnU Superman, direct and confrontational as he is, is NOT going to have the wherewithall to avoid Kitty's attack.

For, in a first time encounter, he has no reason to.

THAT is what I want a response to, backed up by some comic book evidence.

Is that the only reason he wins?

And is that true about HV affecting her molecules?

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Keep your insults, Zack.

It's real simple.

Every phasing attack I've known to be used on Superman has proven enormously effective on Superman. Fernus put him into shock by doing no more than phasing pieces of a table into him.

The fact that Superman himself can vibrate through objects did nothing to protect him from that.

Supergirl has the same ability to vibrate through objects. To "Phase" if you will. This did not help her against Gakidou.

Kryptonian ability to "vibrate" or "go intangible" or whatever you wish to call it, does not protect against other objects being phased into them and them being debilitated by it.

I do not see where Superman, preboot OR DCnU has come up with any response to this. If you know of one that appears in the comics, please show it. I have not yet seen it. Until I do, I cannot conclude other than that DCnU Superman, direct and confrontational as he is, is NOT going to have the wherewithall to avoid Kitty's attack.

For, in a first time encounter, he has no reason to.

THAT is what I want a response to, backed up by some comic book evidence.

How did I insult you? If I did offend you then I apologize.

Now you're back to Preboot Superman. Cool.

The best Kitty can do is stalemate. She might get a win if he enters blue "retard Superman mode and just stands there or willingly leaps at her and allows her to phase his organs out"

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Is that the only reason he wins?

And is that true about HV affecting her molecules?

heat still affects molecules various ways.

mmm

unless her powers work differently

Originally posted by Zack Fair
mmm

lol think about it, imagine kitty trying to phase through the sun, I don't see that happening.

She would swallow the sun into her vagina, turn it red with fluids and throw it back at Superman's face.

that sounds disturbingly satisfying, excuse me while I go look up some hardcore x-girls

http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=HVIntangible1.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=HVIntangible2.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=HVIntangible1.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=HVIntangible2.jpg

Originally posted by Mr.SunKing
[b]Superman, If i recall heatvision can still affect her molecules. [/B]

Physical Disruption: Kitty can easily damage tangible matter by passing right through it.

Non-Corporeal Physiology: Kitty's intangibility/phasing abilities make her practically untouchable.

Air & Water Walking: Using her phasing/intangibility ability, Shadowcat can freely walk on both air and water. In fact, she could use her ability to walk on water and the air from the ground to the upper stories of a building as if she were climbing a staircase.

Phasing/Intangibility Extension: From the first use of her phasing power, Shadowcat was able to phase her clothing along with herself. Through practice she learned to phase other objects along with herself without harm to them, and at one point phased an entire X-Men team. She could also enable someone as big as Colossus to "walk on air" along with her. However, she had to maintain physical contact with the people or objects she phased along with herself for the effect to work with this other person or object.

Camouflage: Kitty can easily bend into the colors of her immediate surroundings and environments, practically making her invisible to anything seen to the naked eye.

Shadow Camouflage: Shadowcat can also become completely invisible and unseen in shadows.

Electronic Disruption: She could phase through any material object, even living people. When she phased through an object with an electrical system, the process disrupted the system's workings.

Telepathic Resistance: Her thoughts were highly erratic when phased as if there was no mind to telepathically affect.

Cloaking: Kitty can hide herself and others from any type of optical eyesight

Superman vibrates at highspeed, counters Shadow Cat phasing and knocks her down.

Originally posted by JBL
Wont work on her and he wont even see her coming at him anyway.

Assuming she can avoid his vision powers, he can still hear her heartbeat.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Review JLA v1 #86, Pr.

Fernus stayed behind, true, but he wasn't staying behind to make sure Superman stayed in place. He was just lying in wait for the rest of the Justice League. Once part of the JLA table was phased into Superman, that was pretty much it for him. He needed no further handling; his team had to use extraordinary efforts after that point to [b]revive him, there was no fight left in him after that. [/B]

Maybe my point wasn't clear enough. If so, my bad.

I'm talking about the power required to catch Superman unawares, to physically and telepathically restrain him, AND to get him to the table and phase him through it. Even phased, Superman would retain all of his natural abilities, abilities Shadowcat can't compete with.

One showing of him being phased in to a table, when he's endured much worse and been fine, isn't indicative of an average where Shadowcat would successfully get a majority over Superman, imo.

Originally posted by cdtm
Assuming she can avoid his vision powers, he can still hear her heartbeat.

and her breathing.

I'm not seeing how Superman loses this.

Originally posted by JBL
Did you not see the scan where superman was phased into a table and was crying like a baby? He was done, your scans support nothing and in no shape form or fashion shows superman being able to free himself. You continue to try and deceive and mislead with your meaningless scans. Try showing him getting out of a similar situation where he was trapped in that table,that way your credibility will re-establish itself with the majority on this forum. AND A CLOTHESLINE FROM HELL TO ANYBODY THAT DISAGREE.

APA Bradshaw > JBL.