Shadow Cat vs Superman

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Hulk is actually the other reason I'm thinking Shadowcat win.

For Hulk himself, in his powerful "World War" form was almost defeated by Kitty. I cannot remember if it was his healing factor (which is portrayed as far superior to Superman's in most instances) that saved Hulk or if Hulk just managed to tough through the pain until that overload technique wore off.

I'm pretty sure it was the former, though, that Kitty's attack was the whole reason Beast realized they needed to neutralize Hulk's healing factor before the team could bring Hulk down.

I'm not seeing how Superman going through his normal fight paces avoids this kind of treatment.

Does she need to breath?

You'd think not since there's no air in between solid objects, but that could be comic book science at work.

Can she survive in a vacuum, in space? Or under the ocean?

Originally posted by emporerpants
Didn't hulk take her out with a thunder clap? Why couldn't supes do the same? Anyway, it's obvious that blue is the only one here who thinks kitty can win.

Originally posted by 753
she could have killed or at least beaten the hulk by phasing his head into the ground, but SM can fly, so her chances of sneaking up on him through the ground are zero.

Originally posted by cdtm
Does she need to breath?

You'd think not since there's no air in between solid objects, but that could be comic book science at work.

Can she survive in a vacuum, in space? Or under the ocean?

EDIT: I've just remembered a way she could conceivebly win, though not for a majority. If she concentrates, che can cause seizures in people she phases through by disrupting their nervous impulses like she does to electric currents in machinery.

Kitty pride 0.001/10

Originally posted by carver9
Supergirl fts doesn't belong to superman.

Originally posted by 753
I doubt it. recent descriptions of her power state it projects an inexplicable field from within her, which is why she can phase other objects. on the other hand, her power has, in the past, been described as her spinning her subatomic particles around those of the matter she phases through, but that isnt vibrating them and she could probably spin them around superman's vibrating ones too, regardless of them "occupying" a wider range in space by high frequency vibration.

Originally posted by 753
she was solid, or at least solid enough to let air hit her at that particular moment. WWH required quite a bit of PIS and CIS to play out.

Is that what the story said?

Because I can see her being pretty messed by the sound, if nothing else. Burst eardrums, at the least. She can still hear, even in a phased state.

I don't understand why you feel she has any need to sneak.

DCnU Superman is a better fighter than his pre-52 version, I grant you.

But where do you see him hanging back from people the way you're suggesting? A more in-your-face character than 52Clark I've yet to see.

Several of the posters here actually commented on that fact in another thread.

Here, because it suits them to present Superman as this cautious thoughtful probing man, they forget how brash, direct, and confrontational he is:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=382350&pagenumber=2149

Originally posted by cdtm
Is that what the story said?

Because I can see her being pretty messed by the sound, if nothing else. Burst eardrums, at the least. She can still hear, even in a phased state.

EDIT: just recalled, in order to float up and down, she solidifies enough to have some attriction with air.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman has gone intangible by vibrating many times. That scan was to show how that works and its similar to kitty's.
Has she ever moved through an intangible being?

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
I don't understand why you feel she has any need to sneak.

DCnU Superman is a better fighter than his pre-52 version, I grant you.

But where do you see him hanging back from people the way you're suggesting? A more in-your-face character than 52Clark I've yet to see.

Several of the posters here actually commented on that fact in another thread.

Here, because it suits them to present Superman as this cautious thoughtful probing man, they forget how brash, direct, and confrontational he is:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=382350&pagenumber=2149

lol.

Superman is more willing to act. That doesn't mean he has become a savage brute. He is constantly looking for his enemies weaknesses and stregths when he fights them. I remember him taking note of the Predator ripoff capabilities as they fought.

Originally posted by Zack Fair

Superman is more willing to act. That doesn't mean he has become a savage brute.

😬

Is that what I'm looking at here in Justice League #2?

Care to tell me what the "savage brute" approach would look like in contrast to this?

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
😬

Is that what I'm looking at here in Justice League #2?

Care to tell me what the "savage brute" approach would look like in contrast to this?

And Superman had been worked into a frenzy by Darkseid's parademons back then.

Oh and he analyzed Batman's gadgets before he assaulted Batman.

Nice try though.

Originally posted by Zack Fair

[Superman slamming Batman up against a brick wall was a] younger Superman than the one you showed earlier.

Nice try, though.

Sure, except it was you yourself that suggested the switch of Superman:

Originally posted by psycho gundam
that's pre-boot

Originally posted by Zack Fair

Yes, but Blue is arguing preboot Supes anyways ...

I didn't suggest anything.

I simply told PG why abhil started posting preflashpoint scans.

Did you miss the "worked into a frenzy, already analyzed batman's gadgets" edit?

Oh well.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
I didn't suggest anything.

I simply told PG why abhil started posting preflashpoint scans.

On the contrary. Posting a "Yes, but" in this context is saying

"Say, Blue, everyone else was arguing DCnU Superman. You're the only one arguing preboot Superman. Did you realize that? I'm willing to converse with you ON preboot Superman, no problem, but you really should switch to talking about the current one, if possible ..."

Shake.My.Head.

I think he was simply trying to be fair to Abhi.

Originally posted by cdtm
....not how I read it.

I think he was just playing fair for Abhi's sake.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Nice deflection.

It's not a deflection. That's what your words mean in the English language in this context, whether you realize it or not, whether you acknowledge it or not.

Now, presumably, you're calling this a "deflection" because you mentioned something about an edit. Worked into a frenzy or some such?

But DCnU Superman is like that in other instances as well.
A good case-in-point is that "Major Force" encounter you guys were talking about a few weeks ago: