Shadow Cat vs Superman

Thanks, E.

I'll ask P.R. after dinner.

No problem man, hope that gets cleared up for you. 🙂

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
You know what must be done if the House of El is to survive.

Don't worry.

Originally posted by JBL
As JBL, he held far more titles. 😄

Yes, but he looked like a tool.

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Guys, try to keep things civil. That said, someone like Shadowcat beating Superman isn't an automatic certainty just because she has one of the powers that J'onn once used to temporarily disable him. Superman is still far faster, can fly etc.

Sorry Pr! I honestly wasn't trying to be really mean, although I did let my sarcasm get the best of me.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
JBL, you're logged on right now obviously, can YOU actually see the avatar Zack has RIGHT NOW, or do you only see it when looking at this thread before you actually log on?

Shadowcat retcon punch Superman for the win. On the real though, Superman wins 10/10. Superman fought someone kind of like SC recently and he got stomped but she had super strength.

*high fives Carver* Yeah, kitty doesn't have anything else going for her that could give her the win.

Supes vs Martian Manhunter is apparently coming up soon, looking forward to seeing how that goes down. 🙂 Supes ftw!

If Morrison's doing it, it should be close. He's the one who gave us J'onn destroying Ultraman.

If it's Johns or someone, then not sure..

Really, on power set, MM has what it takes.. It's the writing that's usually lacking.

Alright, in no particular order, and probably one point per post:

Neither preboot Superman nor DCnU Superman fight with all that much caution. I'll grant neither fights as poorly as what I'm about to show here for the sake of argument, but Superman from any era is pretty in-your-face.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=13851254

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=13851255

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=13851258

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Story Title: "Kplow!"
Source: Trinity #3, Volume 1
Writer: Kurt Busiek
Penciller: Mark Bagley
Date: June 2008
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http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Trinity_Vol_1_3

That's a horrible example, tbh.

Superman might let the enemy get the initial punch to test their strength, but preboot Superman has shown plenty of instances where he's fought with consideration and care, even while apparently brawling.

Originally posted by Zack Fair

The only way she wins if he just stands there and lets her do her thing.

You're wrong about this. She can also do this if he merely fights her conventionally. Typical Superman engagements are glorified close quarters boxing matches.

What exactly are you proposing Superman is doing all this while anyway?
Hovering 100 feet above the ground blasting away with his heat vision?

Superman does not fight most enemies at a distance.

Originally posted by emporerpants

Would anybody really argue that kitty can beat hulk, thor, surfer, etc. for the majority? ...

Because of the way you wrote these, I'm under 2 impressions

1) You don't understand what is meant by "majority" or the percentages people give on this forum. They DON'T mean Superman and Kitty are having multiple fights and we're trying to determine who takes the most out of them. This is an important point to raise, for any casual reader using standard logic would probably come to that conclusion.

No, the forum rules, seldom read, state quite the opposite:

Originally posted by Digi

The Battle

Due to some confusion, I will highlight this now. Unless otherwise specified in the opening post, the matches are one fight. The use of a character winning 7/10 is just to highlight a percentage or odds. There has never been anything in the rules which states there are 10 separate fights.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Because of the way you wrote these, I'm under 2 impressions

1) You don't understand what is meant by "majority" or the percentages people give on this forum. They DON'T mean Superman and Kitty are having multiple fights and we're trying to determine who takes the most out of them. This is an important point to raise, for any casual reader using standard logic would probably come to that conclusion.

No, the forum rules, seldom read, state quite the opposite:

Since we're quoting rules...

Prep time
Neither side receives any notable prep time before the starting bell unless the thread starter specifies it. Neither side may take any offensive or defensive actions before the starting bell. Planning is allowed and powers that are automatic or 'always on' can be up, but actions such as setting up forcefields, taking flight, or consciously activating powers is not. For example, Batman cannot shove together an 'anti-Avengers ray' before the fight.

Current Kitty starts off in a solid state, and needs to "activate" her power of intangibility.

Superman blitzes.

Originally posted by emporerpants

Would anybody really argue that kitty can beat hulk, thor, surfer, etc. for the majority? ...

The other thing I'm lead to believe by this

2) You are unaware of the actual history of Shadowcat versus Hulk and Thor and the reasons for the results.

Shadowcat did actually go against Hulk, as pointed out earlier in this thread. In fact, she went against World War Hulk, generally regarded as a step above Big Green as he's been throughout most years.

Fairly certain he prevailed, but, unless I am very mistaken, he did so because his healing factor negated the effects.

Does Superman have a healing factor in anywise comparable to that of WWH, who was able to survive having HOLES punched through his body by the Strange-summoned demon, Zom?

Originally posted by emporerpants

Would anybody really argue that kitty can beat hulk, thor, surfer, etc. for the majority? ...

2b) You are unaware of the actual history of Shadowcat versus Thor, a character even more comparable to Superman than Hulk himself.

Are you aware that Shadowcat and Excalibur fought Thor in Thor v1 #427?

I was not, until recently.

Doubtless said fight would have been in the Kitty Pryde respect thread Herochat used to have, but Herochat has been disappeared for some time now.

Still, there are reviews of the fight. Likewise someone posted the aftereffects Thor suffered in Thor#428.

Here's an excerpt from a fairy detailed review:

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Phasing through a wall behind him, Shadowcat knows that the Juggernaut is too powerful to fight in any conventional matter. There’s no way to stop him once he starts moving. She’s got to try something radical. A stunt so desperate that she’d never dare attempt it on any other living being. Just then, Shadowcat comes up to Thor, and touches his chest. Thor proceeds to ask what their purpose is, why dost they attack? Shadowcat thinks to herself that he sounds different, nothing like the man she knows. She then tells “Juggernaut” that she’s making him intangible and phasing him into the dock. But she is going to release him so that he will become permanently bonded with it and he will never move again. Stuck in the cement, Thor calls out with a great yell.

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http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issues/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=5153

Originally posted by cdtm

Current Kitty starts off in a solid state, and needs to "activate" her power of intangibility.

Superman blitzes.

Say this loud enough for P.R. to hear you.

I dare you.

ermm @ this thread.

My initial instinct was to close this for spite as soon as I saw it. I should have listened to that instinct.

Well, before you do, allow me to post exactly what Kitty Pryde (Shadowcat) DID to Thor with her "laughable" phasing ability:

Who said it was laughable?

Have you actually paid attention to how many "LoL"s Zack Fair has posted in this thread now?

At any rate, no one who actually examines the evidence in this thread should go away now thinking phasing is some light thing even for high heralds to endure, whether they be Supes, his cousin, Thor, OR Hulk, and the latter 2 characters have magic healing or healing factors at a level far higher than Clark can duplicate:

Superman (Gakidou)

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14337214
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14337217

Supergirl (Gakidou)

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=13892194

Superman (Fernus)

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14334622

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14334919

Thor (Shadowcat)

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14337201

World War Hulk (Shadowcat)

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14334940