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Anyway, the only people who seem to think that DC and Marvel Herc should be equal tend to be the same guys who want to reverse project Diana being stronger than her Hercules onto Marvel Herc (in addition to citing JLA/Avengers) and therefore argue she's stronger than Thor. Doesn't begin to make sense, and no, them both having completed the mythical trials of Hercules doesn't make them equal.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank👆
😂Anyway, the only people who seem to think that DC and Marvel Herc should be equal tend to be the same guys who want to reverse project Diana being stronger than her Hercules onto Marvel Herc (in addition to citing JLA/Avengers) and therefore argue she's stronger than Thor. Doesn't begin to make sense, and no, them both having completed the mythical trials of Hercules doesn't make them equal.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusThe witch directly said that they were weakened and wouldn't regain their strength in time.
Oh I remember, they were resurrected but unlike Superman she's not empowered by the Sun so this makes her feat even more questionable.
She might be slightly stronger then John but why does it matter when Superman is noticeably stronger then both her and John by your own account?So superman was pulling like half of the planet, she's still got plenty of weight to pull off in her weakened state.
Clearly hyperbole, Spectre was just really heavy because he was a hundred feet tall, Wonder Woman/Superman just need to step it up.It wasn't narration so it isn't hyperbole.
He simply said planet.Which could be of any shape or size.
You're one to talk.😂
Actually, no, we haven't settled it.Your choice.
Prove to me that he wasn't using the word strength as a substitute for the word power. I see you using this logic all the time constantly ignoring any evidence you don't like.For real?
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Also, from what the Miss ugly is saying "You'll never regain your strength in time to stop me", it implies that they're regaining their strength and only really need enough time to do it. The page where they pull the planet:Is 11 pages after she mentioned that they need time to recover. Seeing as they ALSO had the time to have Batman compute for stresses of the Earth pull AND circle the planet with WW's lasso, wouldn't it stand to reason that they've already fully recovered by then?
That is, unless we're talking about a different comic? 😛
Edit. Adding working image link.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusAgain not really.
So it counts? Good, glad we settled that.
One, scan? Two, I was referring to all the other examples I posted that you chose to ignore and pretend they don't exist.I don't have the scan atm but it happened in Avengers 100 IIRC.
A possible future who's probability was completely unknown, is what you're using as evidence when previously ignoring on panel evidence. This guy.That was a direct future, more importantly it showed how Ordway viewed cap and superman.
No, Black Adam is empowered by Blaze, which would probably make him even more susceptible to her.Not really. You have any proof of that.
Yes, I'm a Thorbag, great. Doesn't change your faulty logic. Superman is much weaker then anyone who has beaten up Metallo or Kryptonite man obviously using your reasoning.Nope. You are now just babbling.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
😂Anyway, the only people who seem to think that DC and Marvel Herc should be equal tend to be the same guys who want to reverse project Diana being stronger than her Hercules onto Marvel Herc
(in addition to citing JLA/Avengers)
and therefore argue she's stronger than Thor.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Yeah, because DC and Marvel Ares are completely equal, too. 👆
Originally posted by Nibedicus
😆Yeah cuz DC and Marvel Ares are approximately equal.
The Ares are not equal in strength BECAUSE THEY WERE SHOWN NOT TO BE.
Why should we assume that the two Herculi aren't approximately equal in strength when they were NEVER SHOWN NOT TO BE?
We can't prove everything in comics. This is a fact. When proof is impossible then we should just believe in the most reasonable theory. Would the writers of both companies believe that both are approximately equal in the strength dept? If both matched each other in strength in a crossover then would the result be a stalemate? I would think so.
Lastly, comics are highly inconsistent. We shouldn't treat them like the bible, as there are contradictions. When contradictions exist then we have to reason a sound theory. When contradictions don't exist then we except what is shown.
Originally posted by -Pr-
DC Herc and Marvel Herc aren't equals unless you can prove they're equals through feats.Like Jake said, it's generally used as a roundabout way to serve an agenda.
We can prove anything is my point. That's why we have opinions. Opinions don't have to be accepted. These characters aren't real. There power levels lies in the opinion of the writer's mind. Everything in comics can't be proven, especially if a character doesn't have many showings.
Originally posted by zopzopWhich is wrong to do.
This is valid though. Both Marvel and DC acknowledge JLA/Avengers as canon. Here is proof Marvel considers it canon (I stumbled upon this by accident while considering working on a respect thread for Terminus) :
Look closely at the last paragraph.This is debatable. [/B]
JLA/Avengers is *technically* canon, yes, but per the rules, it's not admissible as evidence. And when feats of JLA/Avengers get brought up, they're often warped or taken out of context.
But yeah, it's glaringly obvious why people want to project the idea that Wonder Woman > DC Hercules = Marvel Hercules = Thor.
Why shouldn't we assume DC and Marvel Hercules aren't equal? Well, because THEY AREN'T THE SAME CHARACTER seems to be a valid point.
This would be like assuming every version of Hercules ever displayed that had underwent the mythical trials is equal in strength to one another which is just about the most absurd thing ever. It also doesn't take into account the stark differences between the Olympian Pantheons in DC and Marvel.
We don't treat DC and Marvel Ares as equal. We don't treat DC and Marvel Thor as equal. We don't treat DC and Marvel Zeus as equal. We don't treat DC and Marvel Hermes as equal. Why should we just assume DC Hercules is as strong and formidable as Marvel's Herc?
Originally posted by h1a8
We can prove anything is my point. That's why we have opinions. Opinions don't have to be accepted. These characters aren't real. There power levels lies in the opinion of the writer's mind. Everything in comics can't be proven, especially if a character doesn't have many showings.
😕 really? Is DC, Image, and Marvel Thor equal?
Originally posted by carver9
😕 really? Is DC, Image, and Marvel Thor equal?
We are talking about strength not character. Surely they are different characters but the intention of the writers is what gives these characters their strength. I'm pretty sure that writers from both companies would agree that both Herculi have nearly the same strength. Stop acting as though these characters are REAL and have REAL strength that can be measured when there are NO FEATS. My argument doesn't have to be accepted because it is an opinion, but one where good reasoning is the source of.
You might find people who disagree with that.
Hercules as a mythical figure is open to incredibly vague interpretation. Even in DC and Marvel, they treat them differently, and that alone should be enough to indicate that they aren't held in the same esteem, and because of that they most likely aren't as strong as one another.
Originally posted by h1a8
We are talking about strength not character. Surely they are different characters but the intention of the writers is what gives these characters their strength. I'm pretty sure that writers from both companies would agree that both Herculi have nearly the same strength. Stop acting as though these characters are REAL and have REAL strength that can be measured when there are NO FEATS. My argument doesn't have to be accepted because it is an opinion, but one where good reasoning is the source of.
Plus comparing Marvel Herc to DC Herc based on a shared real life tradition is faulty. For example some of Marvel Herc's 12 Labors were weren't even performed by him but by the Eternal Gilgamesh. This was stated as recently as the Sacred Invasion arc.
Originally posted by h1a8I wouldn't agree with that statement at all.
We are talking about strength not character. Surely they are different characters but the intention of the writers is what gives these characters their strength. I'm pretty sure that writers from both companies would agree that both Herculi have nearly the same strength. Stop acting as though these characters are REAL and have REAL strength that can be measured when there are NO FEATS. My argument doesn't have to be accepted because it is an opinion, but one where good reasoning is the source of.
It really does depend on the character themselves and less on the name.
Just because they are both Hercules does not in and of itself mean the companies hold that character in the same regard.
