Wonder Woman Vs Thor

Also, from what the Miss ugly is saying "You'll never regain your strength in time to stop me", it implies that they're regaining their strength and only really need enough time to do it. The page where they pull the planet:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/133770/2849918-1530154_superman__wonder_woman__and_martian_pulling_the_earth_super.jpg

Is 11 pages after she mentioned that they need time to recover. Seeing as they ALSO had the time to have Batman compute for stresses of the Earth pull AND circle the planet with WW's lasso, wouldn't it stand to reason that they've already fully recovered by then?

That is, unless we're talking about a different comic? 😛

Originally posted by Sh3nG L0nG
If you're going to make that argument then you need to be able to answer the following questions:

-what is his base pulling power compared to the others?
-did he have to create extra arms to be able to pull close to or as much as the others?
-is it possible he created extra arms for better grip instead of more strength?
-since his strength more or less doubles according to you, and his base is more or less around superman and wonder woman, couldn't he just grow 6 arms or 8 and just pull it on his own?

you need to prove your assumption with facts, or it becomes nothing more than opinion.

-It is inferior to Superman, and it would appear that it is roughly even with Diana's.
-Why did they use Diana's lasso to pull Earth in that scene? They could have easily used a GL construct instead as a harness(because it has been done on-panel). One simple word: plot.
-Your argument with the grip might be valid if he were not shown on-panel to be exerting full effort from all 4 of his arms.
-Couldn't the heroes just get someone like Fate to teleport the planet out of danger? Couldn't Superman just use the Miracle Machine to end every threat to Earth ever? Couldn't aliens start invading our world tomorrow? We can throw as many "couldn't"s as we like, at the end of the interpretation entirely rests on the plot of the story, and the writer intent. Maybe the writer thought that 4 was a better number than 6 or 8. Nobody knows and nobody cares.

My assumption is proven by simple logic, and this board is heavily dominated by opinions.

GK: Isn't the whole MM "growing arms etc" logic all moot? Superman is a planet puller all on his lonesome. WW is helping someone who can already pull planets on his own pull a planet.

It's a "non-feat".

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Exactly. A "non-feat".

Originally posted by Nibedicus
GK: Isn't the whole MM "growing arms etc" logic all moot? Superman is a planet puller all on his lonesome. WW is helping someone who can already pull planets on his own pull a planet.

It's a "non-feat".

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Yep. It would be reasonable to assume that Superman performed the lion's share of the feat, with the remaining labor equally divided between Jonn and Diana. Jonn getting the bigger share of it if we are to believe that Diana had indeed been weakened in that arc.

I know you're aware of the argument. I'm just wondering about why even bother discussing contribution-levels between MM and WW when the primary foundation of the "feat" itself is kinda non-existent.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
I know you're aware of the argument. I'm just wondering about why even bother discussing contribution-levels between MM and WW when the primary foundation of the "feat" itself is kinda non-existent.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
-It is inferior to Superman, and it would appear that it is roughly even with Diana's.

-Your argument with the grip might be valid if he were not shown on-panel to be exerting full effort from [b]all 4 of his arms.

-Couldn't the heroes just get someone like Fate to teleport the planet out of danger? Couldn't Superman just use the Miracle Machine to end every threat to Earth ever? Couldn't aliens start invading our world tomorrow? We can throw as many "couldn't"s as we like, at the end of the interpretation entirely rests on the plot of the story, and the writer intent. Maybe the writer thought that 4 was a better number than 6 or 8. Nobody knows and nobody cares.

My assumption is proven by simple logic, and this board is heavily dominated by opinions. [/B]

Originally posted by abhilegend
Slowing spectre down with superman, helping to move earth while weakened, helping to move the moon, lifting the city sized heavenly chariot etc.

I'm surprised since u've been on this propaganda trip for quite a while, bringing up this same subject on multiple threads.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
My proof is basic logic. Superman is much stronger than him, so even 2 additional arms should only be an insignificant reduction in their strength gap.

You're reading too much into a few panels that are irrelevant to this debate. Her strutting about like nothing happened, even while manhandling Plastic Man and J'onn, and requiring Kishana's plot device heat power [b]and J'onn's martian vision to defeat her, is proof that post-transformation she showed absolutely no sign of weakness.

If you want, I can get a mod ruling on this matter. Either ways, using Scary Monsters to prove that Diana is J'onn's superior in terms of strength is fairly inconclusive, because of the context involved in said showing.

Yes.

Creating other arms is shapeshifting. If you believe that shapeshifting augmented his strength enough to restrain her, then you concede that him spouting 2 additional arms(which is also shapeshifting) to help Superman and Wonder Woman move planet Earth added to his base strength as well. You can't have it both ways.

Do you read comics?

If you do, then you don't need me to spoonfeed you. [/B]

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
And here I thought u had some definitive proof that she is a lot stronger than blondie..

I'm surprised since u've been on this propaganda trip for quite a while, bringing up this same subject on multiple threads.

Don't you get tired of accusing me all the time?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Proof that even with four hands he was equal to diana if you believe it made him stronger?
Kyle was dead at that time.
And that didn't made him pull harder than usual two hands.

facepalm
You are now going full carver mode here. Your theory wouldn't hold even slightest scrutiny.

They could have got some other GL to do so. Jonn is capable of galactic scale tp, and he could have easily contacted the GL corps. It doesn't matter in the end because it the question I am responding to is speculatory in nature, and has nothing to do with the plot of that story.

I get what you're saying. 2+2=2. Commendable.

I am not sure how that's possible, since I didn't bring up a highly unquantifiable feat to "prove" that Wonder Woman tops Thor in strength, nor have I been arguing incessantly for pages on to defend said feat. My arguments are based on simple logic though, and unless you're a hater of logic, I fail to see why you'd disagree with me.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Is superman twice as strong as J'onn?

Never mentioned that anywhere. You are throwing things in dark and hoping something sticks. That proves she is stronger than J'onn while weakened by on panel proof. You are using that scene to show that Diana was amped when the only description of the transformation explitly states that she grows weaker by transformation. Twisting much? Go ahead. Get a mod ruling on this. I provided all the context there is to this feat.

No.

Creating arms to pull earth isn't the same as using shapeshifting as a tool to restrain someone. Plastic man has done that to restrain some fairly strong beings like bizzaro. I wouldn't say he's stronger than them.

More than you can imagine. You're the one who's going to be spoonfed here by the looks of things.

No need to mention since it is illustrated on-panel. She appears to be weakening of the "infection" of those evil creatures, but once her transformation is completed, she shows no sign of weakness. None at all. Anything else is just you reading too far into those panels, desperately reaching and taking your scans out of context to make the feat more impressive than it really is, and to be honest, it isn't all that impressive, due to reasons already provided. I'll pm the scans and details to Bada. We might as well get Pr to pass his judgement on that scene while we're at it.

Yes.

Except it is. Both are forms of shapeshifting, so why should one impart additional physical power while the other should not?

Lol.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
And here I thought u had some definitive proof that she is a lot stronger than blondie..

I'm surprised since u've been on this propaganda trip for quite a while, bringing up this same subject on multiple threads.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
The fact that he has easily overpowered with her one arm in another shapeshifted form.

They could have got some other GL to do so. Jonn is capable of galactic scale tp, and he could have easily contacted the GL corps. It doesn't matter in the end because it the question I am responding to is speculatory in nature, and has nothing to do with the plot of that story.

I get what you're saying. 2+2=2. Commendable.

I am not sure how that's possible, since I didn't bring up a highly unquantifiable feat to "prove" that Wonder Woman tops Thor in strength, nor have I been arguing incessantly for pages on to defend said feat. My arguments are based on simple logic though, and unless you're a hater of logic, I fail to see why you'd disagree with me.

GL corps was dead at that time.

Comics.

Ok. Agree to disagree.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I wonder why the question of how much she actually pulled is still not answered?

Based off being stronger than D.C. Hercules
I would say that she pulled with at least 1/6th of the total.

IMO Superman pulled anywhere between 1/2 and 2/3 from the suspension of disbelief. So WW and Jonn pulled with a combined 1/2 - 1/3 of the total force.

If they both pulled with 1/2 then Diana probably pulled half of that or 1/4 of the total.

But if both pulled with 1/3 of the total then Diana pulled with 1/6 of the total.

This is assuming Diana=MM in strength

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Just twice? I am not even a Superman fan, and even I wouldn't give such a low figure. Of course, Jonn's shapeshifting powers may impart variable strength, but at base levels, in his humanoid form, I'd give Superman a HUGE edge in strength, certainly more than twice.

No need to mention since it is illustrated on-panel. She appears to be weakening of the "infection" of those evil creatures, but once her transformation is completed, she shows no sign of weakness. None at all. Anything else is just you reading too far into those panels, desperately reaching and taking your scans out of context to make the feat more impressive than it really is, and to be honest, it isn't all that impressive, due to reasons already provided. I'll pm the scans and details to Bada. We might as well get Pr to pass his judgement on that scene while we're at it.

Yes.

Except it is. Both are forms of shapeshifting, so why should one impart additional physical power while the other should not?

Lol.

No need to repeat your opinion as if its fact.

No.

Because its two different applications of shapeshifting.

Agree to disagree if you like.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Diana has also choked him like a ***** with one hand in weakened form, so what?

GL corps was dead at that time.

Comics.

Ok. Agree to disagree.

Proof?

Whatever.

Fine.

Guys, using a character who's been mind controlled, or altered in any way, usually isn't the best proof. Just the fact that they are mind controlled or altered throws the validity of a feat into question. Wonder Woman and Thor have been around long enough that we can find feats which a character is 100% themselves.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You think superman is more than twice as strong as J'onn?

No need to repeat your opinion as if its fact.

No.

Because its two different applications of shapeshifting.

Agree to disagree if you like.

It's not an opinion, since it is backed by on-panel evidence of her showing absolutely no signs of physical weakness once she was full transformed. Your scan only pertains to the process of her transformation.

Yes.

So? They're both shapeshifting, and both involve the arm(s) of the character in question(J'onn). There is no precedent to assume that one type of shapeshifting should impart additional physical strength while the other should not.

OK.