Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Break from Janithor? I'm guessing the only thing you've read with Thor in the last two years were his shitty showings in AvX?
No, it's not the high light of collateral damage for Heralds. Him going toe to toe with Gorr is far impressive then destroying a few measily planets.
Originally posted by zopzop
Or the time he was humiliated by a cheap shot by mind controlled Hulk or beatn by Taurus or.......
Correction, Avengers Assemble and AvX.
Thor's positive showings still noticeably outweight any negative ones. It's simply the vocal minority of idiots that don't bother with anything but the bad. I guess that's partly my fault, I'll start updating Thor's respect thread more regularly.
Originally posted by zopzop
Going toe to toe vs a guy that was fighting two other Thors (one of them an All Father) and that All-Father Thor blasted Gorr so hard he went flying many lightyears and then crashing into a planet. Then Thor jumped in.
Okay? Still crazy impressive. Not to mention Gorr got a power up half way through the fight.
It should also be noted that King Thor barely had any Thor-Force.
Originally posted by zopzop
To put the feat in context? It's nice for Thor fans since it's a break from the "Janithor" streak he was on but it's not the end all be all herald level feat. Not even close.
I was with u in the Quasar vs Nova Prime thread championing the virtues of clear narration > paneled art.
Remember how we both vehemently used on panel narration to trump the somewhat not entirely clear art in regards to Quasar and Binary absorbing dark matter from the sun?
Why now are u suddenly dismissing clear on panel narration to suit your argument?
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Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Correction, Avengers Assemble and AvX.Thor's positive showings still noticeably outweight any negative ones. It's simply the vocal minority of idiots that don't bother with anything but the bad. I guess that's partly my fault, I'll start updating Thor's respect thread more regularly.
Okay? Still crazy impressive. Not to mention Gorr got a power up half way through the fight.
It should also be noted that King Thor barely had any Thor-Force.
He had Gaea-force 😉
Originally posted by leonidas
silly question, but since i've not read the arc in question, it's safe to assume this is all canon, yes? there was a part of the narration that made it seem it was just a 'story' being related or something. is it taking place in the present 616 universe?
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Zop..I was with u in the Quasar vs Nova Prime thread championing the virtues of clear narration > paneled art.
Remember how we both vehemently used on panel narration to trump the somewhat not entirely clear art in regards to Quasar and Binary absorbing dark matter from the sun?
Why now are u suddenly dismissing clear on panel narration to suit your argument?
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But that's not what the narrator said exactly. The narrator was just repeating 'stories and legends' about the blade.
Likewise look how the narrator was describing the Thors, the greatest of all the Gods. Really? Greater than Odin? Greater than Zeus? I thought All Father Thor was depowered during that clash with Gorr. But then you read further and you see he was using flowery language again : "Or so the story goes".
On panel we saw a planet's crust cracking and a moon about to shatter (and was gonna shatter) till Thor saved it. That's it.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
For the same reason that galaxies are made of fluff, Classic Mangog is a herald level being, and WBH is billions of times more powerful than RKT.h1logic, which is apparently more logical than actual logic.
Classic Mangog is a trans because of his durability. He has herald power output though.
WBH is not billions of times more powerful than RKT.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankLOL my idea of being powerful is one shotting heralds right and left. Anything less than that isn't very powerful to me. It's my definition and not a universal one. Hell some people think Spider-man is very powerful from their own definition and that's fine.
Gorr's not that powerful?He beat three Thors in the middle of the sun.
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Gorr would trounce Diana as well, barring something like her being fully equipped.
Originally posted by zopzop
No you're not understanding me. Look at the narration in the comic it's full of flowery language and hyperbole. Hell, look at how the narrator was describing the origin of Gorr's sword. People were claiming that Thor withstood attacks from a blade that killed billions of gods.But that's not what the narrator said exactly. The narrator was just repeating 'stories and legends' about the blade.
Likewise look how the narrator was describing the Thors, the greatest of all the Gods. Really? Greater than Odin? Greater than Zeus? I thought All Father Thor was depowered during that clash with Gorr. But then you read further and you see he was using flowery language again : "Or so the story goes".
On panel we saw a planet's crust cracking and a moon about to shatter (and was gonna shatter) till Thor saved it. That's it.
It's trying to be told as an epic story, it succeeds.
Gorr has killed billions of Gods at this point but the narrator tells us different possible origins for Gorr's weapon. Both might be true, or neither. Doesn't matter, the point is that Gorr's weapon is crazy uber. He's pretty much a God now and Gods don't have histories but stories, ever changing, constantly evolving but all of them are true.
Yes, Thor is the greatest of heroes and Gods, the ultimate champion of heaven far surpassing any who's come before (Actual words used previously in the run IIRC). Far greater then Zeus, greater then even Odin. Power =/= Greatness. The recurring theme of this arc is that Thor is different from the other Gods who've grown lazy and complacent. Gorr is the embodiment of all the criticisms Gods receive and Thor is the opposite end of that spectrum.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
And that's what's going to happen. It should be viewed as a crazy feat for Thor, being able to contend with a being who's crushed pantheons by his lonesome (not that this is the first time Thor's faced a pantheon killer) and holding his own. Not that Gorr is far less impressive because he couldn't take out Thor easily. That's stupid beyond belief.It's like writing off high end feats for elite class characters taking on beings outside their tier by claim those beings weren't that powerful because they couldn't easily manhandle said elite high herald.
But he wasn't one shotting anyone Jake. Characters don't always perform at the same level in comics. That's why we have Colossus contending with Gladiator and Hulk at times. Gorr wasn't operating that high mainly because he wasn't one shotting fools.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Don't be sorry.It said worlds were shattered (We even see it happening below). The force of their exchange almost destroyed another Celestial body not even in the vicinity of their fight, how can it be just written off?
This logic is so flawed and can be turned around on you so easily its hilarious. Hey, since we didn't see Superman actually bench press the Earth, it's clearly just exaggeration, probably a million tons at best.
No! We actually see heavenly bodies NOT DESTROYED around Thor. What should we believe, the hyperbole or the contradiction of what we see?
Originally posted by leonidas
silly question, but since i've not read the arc in question, it's safe to assume this is all canon, yes? there was a part of the narration that made it seem it was just a 'story' being related or something. is it taking place in the present 616 universe?
Canon but might all take place in an alternate time-line that for this run is considered canon similar to the Reigning.
Gorr traveled to the beginning of the Universe and killed an Elder God (Taking it's heart) then traveled to the end of time (900 years before Thor did) where all of this is currently taking place.
Originally posted by h1a8
No! We actually see heavenly bodies NOT DESTROYED around Thor. What should we believe, the hyperbole or the contradiction of what we see?
Wait what?
The only Celestial bodies that we do see are being destroyed. The problem some people seem to have is that not enough destruction is being shown.
If you think there is a contradiction, get your eyes checked.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
It's almost like a panel of art is only a snap shot of time and the narration is met to tell you what happened in between the panels or something?Oh wait... that's exactly how the comic medium works.
But it didn't destroy the world that was closest to them. There was no other world around them during the whole scene. From beginning to end they were always around that same world. It makes no sense. Thus it has to be hyperbole.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It's trying to be told as an epic story, it succeeds.
Gorr has killed billions of Gods at this point but the narrator tells us different possible origins for Gorr's weapon. Both might be true, or neither. Doesn't matter, the point is that Gorr's weapon is crazy uber. He's pretty much a God now and Gods don't have histories but stories, ever changing, constantly evolving but all of them are true.
Yes, Thor is the greatest of heroes and Gods, the ultimate champion of heaven far surpassing any who's come before (Actual words used previously in the run IIRC). Far greater then Zeus, greater then even Odin. Power =/= Greatness. The recurring theme of this arc is that Thor is different from the other Gods who've grown lazy and complacent. Gorr is the embodiment of all the criticisms Gods receive and Thor is the opposite end of that spectrum.
Originally posted by zopzop
No you're not understanding me. Look at the narration in the comic it's full of flowery language and hyperbole. Hell, look at how the narrator was describing the origin of Gorr's sword. People were claiming that Thor withstood attacks from a blade that killed billions of gods.But that's not what the narrator said exactly. The narrator was just repeating 'stories and legends' about the blade.
Likewise look how the narrator was describing the Thors, the greatest of all the Gods. Really? Greater than Odin? Greater than Zeus? I thought All Father Thor was depowered during that clash with Gorr. But then you read further and you see he was using flowery language again : "Or so the story goes".
On panel we saw a planet's crust cracking and a moon about to shatter (and was gonna shatter) till Thor saved it. That's it.
How is this not clear? How?!
This part was when he darted towards Gorr from afar all the while destroying asteroids in his wake.
Narration: "He knew he must not stop, no matter what he saw. Even if there were wounded."
Meaning: He was so determined in destroying Gorr once and for all, he intended not to pay attention to anything else. Even if lives were at stake.
Then later...
Narration: "Thor ignored the pain, the roar of his own screams, the shattering of worlds around him. Thor focused only on bludgeoning and ignored everything else." < We see clear art of celestial bodies being torn apart indirectly which includes a moon from afar. It is clearly coming from his physical assault on Gorr.
As the story goes he reverts back to being a true hero and pushes up on the moon to prevent it from breaking.
Through out the story it's true Aaron is using flowery words as you say, but it's just his way of making the story epic in feel. I mean come on. He is writing about a mythical god after all. Flowery words aside, you can't deny clear on panel evidence of his feats arising from narration with specifically coupled panels.
zop, it DOES seem like you pick and choose which narration to follow at times. you don't believe this, you don't believe the narration that says surtur had the power to destroy a galaxy, you don't believe odin when odin specifically states on panel surtur destroyed a galaxy and you do believe the quasar stuff. i really do like you zop, but seriously? makes it hard to debate against someone who seemes so inconsistent in their stance.....
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
How is this not clear? How?!This part was when he darted towards Gorr from afar all the while destroying asteroids in his wake.
Narration: "He knew he must not stop, no matter what he saw. Even if there were wounded."
Meaning: He was so determined to destroying Gorr once and for all, he intended not to pay attention to anything else. Even if lives were at stake.Then later...
Narration: "Thor ignored the pain, the roar of his own screams, the shattering of worlds around him. Thor focused only on bludgeoning and ignored everything else." < We see clear art of celestial bodies being torn apart indirectly which includes a moon from afar. It is clearly coming from his physical assault on Gorr.
As the story goes he reverts back to being a true hero and pushes up on the moon to prevent it from breaking.
Through out the story it's true Aaron is using flowery words as you say, but it's just his way of making the story epic in feel. I mean come on. He is writing about a mythical god after all. Flowery words aside, you can't deny clear on panel evidence of his feats arising from narration specifically coupled with panels.
You saw for yourself the narrator was retelling legends and stories regarding Gorr's sword and even when he called the THors the greatest of Gods he ended it with "or so the story goes".
Destroying asteriods is one thing, destroying planets is another story.
And going back to your example : the difference between this and the Quasar/Binary "art" is that you had confirmation by THREE witnesses that Binary's portal dwarfed anything Quasar did : Epoch, QUasar's mentor who said it would take days perhaps weeks for Quasar's portal to do the job, Quasar's Q-bands which detected a portal "dwarfing" his, and Binary who sensed Quasar's feeble portal and said it was nowhere near good enough.
No flowery language no hyperbole.
Originally posted by leonidas
zop, it DOES seem like you pick and choose which narration to follow at times. you don't believe this, you don't believe the narration that says surtur had the power to destroy a galaxy, you don't believe odin when odin specifically states on panel surtur destroyed a galaxy and you do believe the quasar stuff. i really do like you zop, but seriously? makes it hard to debate against someone who seemes so inconsistent in their stance.....
In the much earlier Surtur example, he was harnassing all that "galaxy busting power" to destroy the Earth by melting it's polar ice caps. Think about that for a second Leo and tell me it wasn't an exaggeration on Surtur's part.
