Originally posted by Nibedicus
Yea, I disagree with the disqualification of the "feat" as well. From what I'm reading, the use of time/space in the narration where Thor battled the Midgard Serpent was intended so state that an unknown amount of time has passed, the rest is vague but we can't just assume physical objects don't behave like physical objects just because the word "space" was included.The difference between the New Gods scan and the Thor scan is that in the New Gods scan, there seems to be a specific change (growth in size) that allows Superman to affect worlds the way he is. In the Thor scan, the scale of the Serpent vs Thor vs the Planet was never mentioned/showed to be changed by the location of the "feat".
The rest of the explanation was based on: "Since it didn't occur in the normal world (it happened in the Void) and that we don't know exactly how matter behaves there, thus, the "feat" itself is unquantifiable."
While that theory has merit, it's just that, a theory. Unless it specifically states that matter behaves differently in "the Void", I assume it doesn't as I tend to not assume unless there is overwhelming on panel evidence that specifically states something to be so.
Also, think about how many other "feats" will be disqualified if we apply the "it has to be w/in the physical world to be quantifiable" rule.
This is all personal opinion, however, as (as I already said) the theory itself has merit, but not to the extent that I subscribe to it.
Edit. Admittedly, I am only aware of the Serpent "feat" via the scans provided (never read the actual comic as I don't collect Thor), if there are more scans that support the above theory then I am more than willing to review it and change my position. 🙂
👆 Not to mention abhi and philo never taken artist rendition into account.Some artist draw characters taller than some characters that shouldn't happen.Ex Wolverine being taller than Storm.Yet Wolverine is 5 foot 3 inches while Storm is 5 foot 11 inches in height.Not to mention Jormungand can change his size and shape.At one time, Jormungand(disguised as Fin Fang Foom) met Thor(who was under Hela's curse upon that time).Fin fang Foom isn't even capable of coiling the earth itself.Also, if they were implying that the feat happened in Asgard space since they keep mentioning Jormungand was crushing Earth's etheral form or something, then the 3 times the density rule should apply to this situation then.The Earth(etheral) that the Serpent was crushing was 3 times more dense since this happened in Asgardian realm.Another thing to note about this feat, is that Thor overpowered the Serpent's earth crushing pressure feat.And not Thor lifting the Serpent.This is like a man in a boat with a rod trying to brake the 9000 pounds pressure squeeze applied by an Anaconda.
Originally posted by NemeBro
young!Thor, without Mjolnir, hit Gorr so ****ing hard time and space collapsed on itself and created a black hole, which sent Gorr to a distant planet. He did this while riding a space shark and being a general psychopath.Thor wins. 👆
Originally posted by pym-ftw
Your arguing semanticsAgain you already agreed that Mjoinir doesn't amp Thor physically, but ok
In you own opinion of Diana, if she was given an adamantium/Uru Hammer could she break a planet indirectly?
Yes/No
What does amping strength has to do with amping strikes? Thor strikes vastly harder with the hammer than without.
I said if she had Mjolnir for over 1000 issues then yes I believe she will have a feat like that, especially under the same writer. She already has a feat of helping Superman lift eternity and moving planets. So her damaging a planet indirectly with Mjolnir is highly possible, especially under the SAME writer.
Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
Thor's got tons of other great strength feats too, Stalemating Hulk for hours, The Midgard Serpent feat, etc.....Thor is above Diana and wins this fight...derailed as this thread got.
Savage Hulk's strength fluctuated between a little over 100 tons to billions of tons. So stalemating Hulk doesn't prove you are stronger than WW, unless you can show what strength level Hulk was operating at.
WW was shown to be in the vicinity of Superman and stated and shown to be stronger than Hercules himself.
I'm no WW expert but she has feats of helping to move planets, moons, eternity, etc.
Originally posted by CPT Space BombI don't think Thor can even destroy a mountain with his fists. Neither can WW on average though. If they wrestled then I don't see Thor overpowering her at all. It seems close to a stalemate if they wrestled.
Again, Thor has caused Asgard to shake and tremble with bare fists. That's not a place he wants to damage. If the hammer amps his hitting power it's not by that much.Thor has the requisite strength to hit hard enough to cause planetary damage. He uses Mjolnir in battle because it's "what he does". he's got plenty of fights without it though.
Originally posted by Igniz
👆 Not to mention abhi and philo never taken artist rendition into account.Some artist draw characters taller than some characters that shouldn't happen.Ex Wolverine being taller than Storm.Yet Wolverine is 5 foot 3 inches while Storm is 5 foot 11 inches in height.Not to mention Jormungand can change his size and shape.At one time, Jormungand(disguised as Fin Fang Foom) met Thor(who was under Hela's curse upon that time).Fin fang Foom isn't even capable of coiling the earth itself.Also, if they were implying that the feat happened in Asgard space since they keep mentioning Jormungand was crushing Earth's etheral form or something, then the 3 times the density rule should apply to this situation then.The Earth(etheral) that the Serpent was crushing was 3 times more dense since this happened in Asgardian realm.Another thing to note about this feat, is that Thor overpowered the Serpent's earth crushing pressure feat.And not Thor lifting the Serpent.This is like a man in a boat with a rod trying to brake the 9000 pounds pressure squeeze applied by an Anaconda.
The serpent was magically crushing the earth. So Thor broke the magical bond I guess. But we don't know how much force that took.
Anyway, even if we give Thor the feat (I have no problem with it) it in itself doesn't prove he is stronger. Remember diana has planetary feats too, even if they are with help. She also has an infinite feat as well.
So you see Thor overpowering her if they gripped up, rather than seemingly stalemating each other?
Originally posted by h1a8
I'm no WW expert but she has feats of helping to move planets, moons, eternity, etc.I don't think Thor can even destroy a mountain with his fists. Neither can WW on average though. If they wrestled then I don't see Thor overpowering her at all. It seems close to a stalemate if they
All he can do is pound someone above a planet the whole world starts to rip apart along with its moon.
Yeah by my calculations, that's not strong at all. 😉
Originally posted by -Pr-Pr was quite clear, but then these posts:
Guys, get back on topic and cut out the personal jabs, please.
Originally posted by h1a8
Only a dummy would actually think I snapped.
Anyway I say Diana is at minimum equal to Thor in strength.
Thor's hammer gives him the illusion of being stronger.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusIf I see 1 more trolling, bashing or flaming posts there will be warnings. Those of you who already have warnings for breaking rules will be close to a temp ban. Any more problems and the thread gets closed as well.
Everyone just ignore H1 and his nonsense, no need to get this thread closed.
Originally posted by Naija boyIsn't it?
huh? That's not what happened..
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee224/Pyronftw/Thorrape_zpsd5fb850c.png
How would you interpret this scene, my son? I'm not the most knowledgeable reader, is there some context I am missing?
Originally posted by NemeBro
Isn't it?http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee224/Pyronftw/Thorrape_zpsd5fb850c.png
How would you interpret this scene, my son? I'm not the most knowledgeable reader, is there some context I am missing?
Young Thor just smacked him through it.
lol at "my son" btw...
Originally posted by h1a8
What does amping strength has to do with amping strikes? Thor strikes vastly harder with the hammer than without.I said if she had Mjolnir for over 1000 issues then yes I believe she will have a feat like that, especially under the same writer. She already has a feat of helping Superman lift eternity and moving planets. So her damaging a planet indirectly with Mjolnir is highly possible, especially under the SAME writer.
