Originally posted by TheGodKiller
What showings? In this one, he clearly utilized twice as much pulling power because of the additional pair of arms, and the additional muscle that they granted.That was her in the process of getting transformed. Afterall, she had been "infected" by those evil creatures. And lol at bringing up Batman and her getting supposedly weakened, because that makes her beating up J'onn PIS.
Going by your logic, his shapeshifting didn't increase his strength, so he restrained Diana with ONE arm in this scan:
Except that stronger persons ARE capable of breaking a full nelson. Since PG was unable to, therefore that means they were equals in strength, going by Diana's commentary.
It was made clear that her transformations made her weaker. Read the scan again.
Don't cry PIS now.
That's shapeshifting at work. Ostrander used it in that series a lot.
There are several instances in comics where stronger characters can't break nelsons by weaker character. I don't see what's PG has to do with this thread though.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Against Despero, Kanto, Kalibak and several others.It was made clear that her transformations made her weaker. Read the scan again.
Don't cry PIS now.
That's shapeshifting at work. Ostrander used it in that series a lot.
There are several instances in comics where stronger characters can't break nelsons by weaker character. I don't see what's PG has to do with this thread though.
She only appeared to be weakening during the process of her transformation itself. Once she was transformed, it was clear that she was more formidable than usual.
You're the one whose logic is forcing us to deem this feat as PIS.
He restrained her physically, with a paritally morphed arm. Since him spouting additional arms doesn't augment his strength(according to you), that applies to his shapeshifting abilities in general. Clearly, he restrained her with his base strength alone. 👆
There are plenty of examples in comics of characters choking stronger/equally strong characters without the victim being able to do anything about it. PG is as relevant to this thread as Superman, which is to say, not at all.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Which doesn't disprove the fact that J'onn's pulling power was more or less doubled when he spouted 2 additional arms to help Superman and WW move Earth.
If you're going to make that argument then you need to be able to answer the following questions:
-what is his base pulling power compared to the others?
-did he have to create extra arms to be able to pull close to or as much as the others?
-is it possible he created extra arms for better grip instead of more strength?
-since his strength more or less doubles according to you, and his base is more or less around superman and wonder woman, couldn't he just grow 6 arms or 8 and just pull it on his own?
you need to prove your assumption with facts, or it becomes nothing more than opinion.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Which doesn't disprove the fact that J'onn's pulling power was more or less doubled when he spouted 2 additional arms to help Superman and WW move Earth.She only appeared to be weakening during the process of her transformation itself. Once she was transformed, it was clear that she was more formidable than usual.
You're the one whose logic is forcing us to deem this feat as PIS.
He restrained her physically, with a paritally morphed arm. Since him spouting additional arms doesn't augment his strength(according to you), that applies to his shapeshifting abilities in general. Clearly, he restrained her with his base strength alone. 👆
There are plenty of examples in comics of characters choking stronger/equally strong characters without the victim being able to do anything about it. PG is as relevant to this thread as Superman, which is to say, not at all.
It was clear that the transformation itself weakened her. Your proof of her being more formidable?
Nope.
I said creating other arms doesn't increase his strength, not that strength+shapeshifting couldn't restrain her.
Name one of those instances.
Although it makes sense that John should have increase in strength if he grows an extra arm or two, I don't think that was ever the intention. Going by that intention, John is not only stronger then Diana, but by growing extra arms/limbs he can easily overpower anyone.
The way I see it, his ability to change shape, or grow limbs doesn't increase his strength. If he were to transform into a dragon, he wont gain strength because of the increase in mass or otherwise.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Your proof on that? That way he would've been pulling more weight than superman since I doubt he's twice as strong as J'onn.It was clear that the transformation itself weakened her. Your proof of her being more formidable?
Nope.
I said creating other arms doesn't increase his strength, not that strength+shapeshifting couldn't restrain her.
Name one of those instances.
Nope. It was during the process of transformation that she appeared to be weakening. Once her transformation completed, it was clear that she wasn't weakened. You're reading too much into a few panels that are irrelevant to this debate. Her strutting about like nothing happened, even while manhandling Plastic Man and J'onn, and requiring Kishana's plot device heat power and J'onn's martian vision to defeat her, is proof that post-transformation she showed absolutely no sign of weakness. If you want, I can get a mod ruling on this matter. Either ways, using Scary Monsters to prove that Diana is J'onn's superior in terms of strength is fairly inconclusive, because of the context involved in said showing.
Yes.
Creating other arms is shapeshifting. If you believe that shapeshifting augmented his strength enough to restrain her, then you concede that him spouting 2 additional arms(which is also shapeshifting) to help Superman and Wonder Woman move planet Earth added to his base strength as well. You can't have it both ways.
Do you read comics? If you do, then you don't need me to spoonfeed you.
