Khan Noonien Singh vs. Yoda

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Official Site says he wanted to torture and kill him. Not that you need the official site to tell you something that obvious. Sheev was seriously peeved off Luke rejected him, and was not going to give him the mercy of a quick death.

But hey don't ever make any attempt to understand story or context. I'm sure Trolling's a lot more fun for you.

So you're just going to ignore the proof I gave about Lightning exploding the cave ceiling? That's why you're a Troll. Anakin has the Force dumb ass.

I've kicked your butt on multiple threads which is why you keep running like a coward from my multiple battlezone challenges 😂

So I've got nothing to prove here. You're the one who just keeps repeating the same arguments that have been broken down thoroughly, because you have no shame.

I just come back now and then to embarrass you again and remind you of the constant ass whoopings you've had from me. And to keep watching you run from my battlezone challenges which we both know you'd lose, and then we can end these Troll threads for good. But obviously Mr. Troll doesn't want that 😂

He did torture him and then he plainly says he will die now. It can't get even more obvious. We already have seen enough force lightning with regards to Yoda, Windu, and Luke to know what it's capable of.

So what ? We see it against human sized and muppet sized bodies as do we see Khan's gun used against body armored Klingons as a basis of comparison. The power isn't even close and you're a troll for even acting like it is in the same ballpark of power.

You accepted a battlezone I put a thread about and had around a year to back out. You accepted and the day of pulled a fast one. You conceded Vader would lose by begging to argue for Kenobi. Ironically his clone wars series feats make him look far weaker than Vader did.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You never proved anything and actually go against Lucas and his commentary.

We see he tries to kill Windu and later does after Anakin disarms him so you're lying. He says he overcame him which means legit.

There is no evidence and it contradicts Sheev's words, the clear intent of the scene, as well as Lucas own commentary.

If only Lucas stated windu legitamently won. He never has and most likely won't to keep the debate going for a while.

That's after the lightsaber duel is it not? 😂 Lucas describes the scene not settling a debate.

Sidious never says anything to sway anyone. He does things though. The clear intent of that scene was to show the beginning of the Jedi purge and the becoming of Darth Vader and to show Sidious power. Really you and I are never going to see eye to eye on this so let's just call this a draw.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
If only Lucas stated windu legitamently won. He never has and most likely won't to keep the debate going for a while.

That's after the lightsaber duel is it not? 😂 Lucas describes the scene not settling a debate.

Sidious never says anything to sway anyone. He does things though. The clear intent of that scene was to show the beginning of the Jedi purge and the becoming of Darth Vader and to show Sidious power. Really you and I are never going to see eye to eye on this so let's just call this a draw.

You're wrong and I'm right, weakling.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He said he overcame him so despite your ignorance he already has. He overcame him in that moment. Windu won.

You're wrong and I'm right, weakling.

It's what we see onscreen. Lucas can say he overcame him until he's blue in the face however that doesn't mean or indicate he won the fight legitimently. As the director it's his job during commentaries to describe the scene. Mace overcoming Sidious is describing the scene. However he never mentions that he actually won without Sidious throwing it, while he leaves tiny little Easter eggs that suggest he did throw the fight.

According to whom? Lucas never says which side is right.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
It's what we see onscreen. Lucas can say he overcame him until he's blue in the face however that doesn't mean or indicate he won the fight legitimently. As the director it's his job during commentaries to describe the scene. Mace overcoming Sidious is describing the scene. However he never mentions that he actually won without Sidious throwing it, while he leaves tiny little Easter eggs that suggest he did throw the fight.

According to whom? Lucas never says which side is right.

You already conceded, dummy.

Yoda wins.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Yoda wins.

Originally posted by quanchi112
By saying he overcame him that proves he's overcame him legitimately. So you agree. Yes. So he described the scene thus you just proved the debate ends. If he threw the fight he'd say so but nothing suggests so.

You already conceded, dummy.

No by saying he overcame him he describes what we saw. He never explains the meaning of that or anything else in that particular line. He just says he overcame him. Also if that line really cleared up this debate there wouldn't be an entire world wide debate over this. Again Sidious haveing windu at sword point and not taking the blow. So yes that one thing alone suggest that Sidious threw the fight.

Again according to whom. Lucas never says that windu legitimently threw the fight.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
No by saying he overcame him he describes what we saw. He never explains the meaning of that or anything else in that particular line. He just says he overcame him. Also if that line really cleared up this debate there wouldn't be an entire world wide debate over this. Again Sidious haveing windu at sword point and not taking the blow. So yes that one thing alone suggest that Sidious threw the fight.

Again according to whom. Lucas never says that windu legitimently threw the fight.

Why would Lucas do anything other than describe the scene ? As you said he did so this ending the debate.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you saying he is describing the scene means he explained the scene. Nothing more to it. That's your speculative bs.

Why would Lucas do anything other than describe the scene ? As you said he did so this ending the debate.

Description. That's it. All he does is describe what we see with no meaning, or evidence behind it. Now add all the extra stuff it becomes clear that Sidious possibly threw the fight.

He describes it doesn't mean he settled the answer. He just says what we saw onscreen. He never says windu legitimently won against Sidious plan. He just says he overcame him. With that the answer is unknown until Lucas says the official answer. I say Lucas because Disney didn't make ROTS Lucas did so really only he and his team can give the "best" answer.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Description. That's it. All he does is describe what we see with no meaning, or evidence behind it. Now add all the extra stuff it becomes clear that Sidious possibly threw the fight.

He describes it doesn't mean he settled the answer. He just says what we saw onscreen. He never says windu legitimently won against Sidious plan. He just says he overcame him. With that the answer is unknown until Lucas says the official answer. I say Lucas because Disney didn't make ROTS Lucas did so really only he and his team can give the "best" answer.

Saying he overcame him is as official as it gets.

😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
He said he overcame him. Words have meaning. Why would he go on about Sheev throwing the fight if he didn't ? Make some damn sense.

Saying he overcame him is as official as it gets.

😂

Words don't always have meaning. He says he overcame him describing the scene. That it. So really the words don't have meaning as they are saying what we see. They don't explain the meaning behind the scene or explain other details of that battle just that one particular stunt.

Again no official response saying whether which answer is correct. So you can go on and on and on until the cows come home. However at the end of the day u til lucas sends out an official answer its up for debate.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Words don't always have meaning. He says he overcame him describing the scene. That it. So really the words don't have meaning as they are saying what we see. They don't explain the meaning behind the scene or explain other details of that battle just that one particular stunt.

Again no official response saying whether which answer is correct. So you can go on and on and on until the cows come home. However at the end of the day u til lucas sends out an official answer its up for debate.

His words are official. 😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, he described the scene. There's nothing more to the scene save Windu overcoming. Fact. Words always have meaning.

His words are official. 😂

Described and that's it. He ain't settling this debate he isn't doing any of that. Actually there is. Sidious killing three Jedi masters who combined are greater than windu,in 10 seconds, had windu running, was matching him beat for beat, had him at sword point and let him live, missed many force openings, and wanted to convert Anakin. So yea it's more to that scen than just that. Not always.

Again no official answer to the question. Debate will continue until there is an answer.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Described and that's it. He ain't settling this debate he isn't doing any of that. Actually there is. Sidious killing three Jedi masters who combined are greater than windu,in 10 seconds, had windu running, was matching him beat for beat, had him at sword point and let him live, missed many force openings, and wanted to convert Anakin. So yea it's more to that scen than just that. Not always.

Again no official answer to the question. Debate will continue until there is an answer.

Rots is official.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, so since he described the scene then you can't say anything else. Already has been described by the creator.

Rots is official.

Never explains anything else. That the point. He never described anything else that goes into that scene. So yes there is much to say as he never makes it clear whether which answer is right.

The movie is but its never made clear which answer is right so again there is no official answer to this question.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Never explains anything else. That the point. He never described anything else that goes into that scene. So yes there is much to say as he never makes it clear whether which answer is right.

The movie is but its never made clear which answer is right so again there is no official answer to this question.

Originally posted by quanchi112
If he describes the scene there is nothing more to the scene than that. If the scene was Sheev losing on purpose he'd say so but since he doesn't then we know it's just fanboy bias.
It's crystal clear.

No it doesn't. He just never says it because in the grand scheme of things why would it matter. Sidious still won the fight by throwing mace out the windu, sidious still became the emperor, anakin became darth vader, and yoda fled to dagoabth thus letting the empire rise. So really in the grand scheme of things that one battle wouldn't matter that's why he never spent just a lot of time going just deep into it leaving the scen to be deciphered by fans. He has purposely left the answer private so there is no official answer.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
No it doesn't. He just never says it because in the grand scheme of things why would it matter. Sidious still won the fight by throwing mace out the windu, sidious still became the emperor, anakin became darth vader, and yoda fled to dagoabth thus letting the empire rise. So really in the grand scheme of things that one battle wouldn't matter that's why he never spent just a lot of time going just deep into it leaving the scen to be deciphered by fans. He has purposely left the answer private so there is no official answer.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Anakin intervened and cut off his hand with the saber. One on one windu overcame him. Lucas approved and the scene according to you was described. You already conceded when you said he described the scene but are too dumb to even realize it.

Again who got thrown out the window. One on one windu was capable of stalemating Sidious. Described by that one single action he never pulls anything else for that sentence. Again no official answer to this question as of yet.