Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, when he slams him into something not based off the force push alone. Usually only koing when they are caught off guard. Thats it.Khan resisted 8 shots. It kos people quite effectively. Watch the movie for crying out loud. Force needs the environment and the victim off guard to ko whereas the gun just needs its own blasts.
Watch the fight scene where he mows down multiple enemies, ships, etc. with relative ease. Like he can't pinpoint Yoda. Get real. The clones sure could. This is based off evidence and lesser skilled characters can fire effectively at Yoda.
I have seen Into Darkness, as well as each Star Wars film in the numbered series.
Stun blasts show no effect equivalent to the kinetic impact of Yoda using the Force to push people. That he resisted the blasts does say something to his physical endurance against system shock (ie, stun blasts), but does nothing to point out his ability to brace, let alone shrug off, the kinetic impact of a force push. Whether it knocks him unconscious or not wouldn't matter, since Yoda is more than capable of closing the distance to defeat via decapitation.
That entire sequence does speak well for Khan's combat ability, but it also is hard to judge in this situation. The same tactics he used against the Klingons might not be as effective against a single opponent roughly a quarter of their size and much more agile. I don't recall the clones ever actually scoring a hit against Yoda, though I do acknowledge that the clone commander under Yoda's supervision was able to aim when he thought Yoda was vulnerable (not sure how much that says, aiming when your target seems to be inattentive).
Then again, being under direct command and more or less in a frequent position to Yoda probably did help the clone get accustomed to his size, which probably helped some when Order 66 came along. Not enough, mind you, but some.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Any force push attack has to catch them off guard to be effective. Why did Darth Maul beat Obi with a force push.....because he caught him off guard. The point.
LOL The shit you talk is amazing. PROVE a Force Push has to catch someone off guard. And PROVE Khan would be ready for a Force Push at all times.
I mean what do you seriously expect Dooku to say "Get ready for a Force Push." That's just normal combat to get your opponent off guard with your next move.
When Anakin and Obi-Wan force pushed each other, they were'nt caught off guard, but they had a defense to try to stop the other and attempt to overpower the other. End result in that fight they were pretty equal so both got force pushed backwards.
Khan has no force powers and no defense against a force push. The Force push that Kenobi used to smack Grievous 50 feet disarming him of all his weapons, would completely crush Khan.
Jeez your arguments are really bad.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I just voted so I changed someone's mind all those months ago. Are you ever right ?
Hmm.. Since I don't remember anyone else arguing for Yoda I smell a sock account.
Anyway with a score of 34 to 2 you have some nerve accusing me of never being right.
Just face it, not only have you lost this debate, you've outright been stomped.
Originally posted by NotAllThatEvilHe can shoot. Force pushes don't beat anyone unless they knock someone into something by catching them off guard while in combat.
Being smacked by an invisible wall seems pretty accurate.You're saying he can't defend, just recover after? Wouldn't that give yoda enough time to stick his saber in him?
No, since there are no examples of what you claim it's just imaginary. Yoda might push him but it won't beat him just like it did not beat Palpatine a geriatric.
Originally posted by XanatosForeverThe blasts set to stun ko people unlike the force lush which needs to drive someone into something so it isn't just by the force push itself.
I have seen Into Darkness, as well as each Star Wars film in the numbered series.Stun blasts show no effect equivalent to the kinetic impact of Yoda using the Force to push people. That he resisted the blasts does say something to his physical endurance against system shock (ie, stun blasts), but does nothing to point out his ability to brace, let alone shrug off, the kinetic impact of a force push. Whether it knocks him unconscious or not wouldn't matter, since Yoda is more than capable of closing the distance to defeat via decapitation.
That entire sequence does speak well for Khan's combat ability, but it also is hard to judge in this situation. The same tactics he used against the Klingons might not be as effective against a single opponent roughly a quarter of their size and much more agile. I don't recall the clones ever actually scoring a hit against Yoda, though I do acknowledge that the clone commander under Yoda's supervision was able to aim when he thought Yoda was vulnerable (not sure how much that says, aiming when your target seems to be inattentive).
Then again, being under direct command and more or less in a frequent position to Yoda probably did help the clone get accustomed to his size, which probably helped some when Order 66 came along. Not enough, mind you, but some.
We have never seen him do so. Why didn't he close the distance and kill Palpatine after force pushing him down. Answer: it isn't that easy. You have no examples. Period.
Clones were able to shoot at him. Yoda had to block. If a lesser skilled opponent can do so why can't Khan ? His situation on Kronos displayed his superb skill against an entire Squadron of foes. He is just facing one small guy who has been blasted at effort by lesser skilled guys than Khan. The Yoda you argue for doesn't exist since everything is based off conjecture. You have no proof just imaginary feats.
We see Jango take on multiple Jedi. They were busying staying alive against a highly skilled opponent. No one just owned him with force powers despite your claim that is all it takes.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERI can't prove you have common sense. We see the application only effective when the opponent is not ready. We see highly skilled Jedi against Jango. They didn't just own him with force powers. They needed their sabers. C Thats how it works since he is so highly skilled. They need to worry about being shot not just owning him with their force powers. There is a reason Order 66 annihilated them all. 😂
LOL The shit you talk is amazing. PROVE a Force Push has to catch someone off guard. And PROVE Khan would be ready for a Force Push at all times.I mean what do you seriously expect Dooku to say "Get ready for a Force Push." That's just normal combat to get your opponent off guard with your next move.
When Anakin and Obi-Wan force pushed each other, they were'nt caught off guard, but they had a defense to try to stop the other and attempt to overpower the other. End result in that fight they were pretty equal so both got force pushed backwards.
Khan has no force powers and no defense against a force push. The Force push that Kenobi used to smack Grievous 50 feet disarming him of all his weapons, would completely crush Khan.
Jeez your arguments are really bad.
Hmm.. Since I don't remember anyone else arguing for Yoda I smell a sock account.
Anyway with a score of 34 to 2 you have some nerve accusing me of never being right.
Just face it, not only have you lost this debate, you've outright been stomped.
We see Obi do so but guess how he beat him. He force pushed a gun to himself. If he could easily beat hike by force pushing him he would have. Wow. Your arguments are awful. Anakin and Obi both force pushed each other which knocked them back. 😂
Big deal. Khan will be shooting Yoda in the face.
You have no examples of Jedi users just randomly owning highly skilled opponents due to force pushing. None. If it can't ko a geriatric then please calm down about the attack. Khan's cell regeneration was a major plot point. His skills were a major plot point. His formidability was a major plot point.
If a force push can't crush a geriatric or if the Jedi needed to grab a gun to win there you have it. Not that effective.
I just voted. You said the only vote was me therefore you were wrong. I just proved it.
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This debate is in Khan's favor. Everyone thought the world was flat. Thats what is happening here again. Its round.
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Originally posted by quanchi112
That is his own equipment. If you are so sure Yoda wins why the big stink ?
I'm not arguing for either character yet, just trying to determine the rules here as an unbiased observer.
Standard equipment for Khan would be stuff he normally carries. Does the gun he used against Klingons fall under that definition? Or does he usually carry a different weapon on his person?
Originally posted by The ScenarioThat was the only time we see him carry weapons in combat since he willingly surrendered afterwards.
I'm not arguing for either character yet, just trying to determine the rules here as an unbiased observer.Standard equipment for Khan would be stuff he normally carries. Does the gun he used against Klingons fall under that definition? Or does he usually carry a different weapon on his person?
Both those guns are his gear.
Originally posted by NotAllThatEvilKhan wrecked shop. What do you mean struggled ? Lol. Faster guns, more powerful guns, better accuracy feats, etc. Jango missed against Obi. Laughable.
Khan also struggled against humans when they boarded the evil enterprise. Jango could hold his own against a jedi master and has more versatile weaponry.
Khan wrecks anyone from the Star Wars universe.
Originally posted by NotAllThatEvilKhan had two guns, one gun was capable of downing Klingon ships. The other gun fired far quicker blasts than Jango. His accuracy also sucked since he couldn't tag Obi.
You're silly. Khan has a gun. Jango has a gun, a missile launcher, a jet pack, a flamethrower, and snazy helmet.
Good luck using to flame thrower while Khan just blasts him.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Are you kidding me ? Watch Jango take on Yoda and then get back to me.
Nope, Im not kidding, and since you seem to be the only one here who thinks Khan would beat Yoda, I think youre kidding yourself here.
Also, and honest question here, but when did Jango take on Yoda, I dont remember that at all. He tried taking on Mace and failed miserably, fought well enough against Obi Wan, but I dont believe Jango ever fought Yoda.
Originally posted by DTMWindu closed the gap and decapitated him. He fought how Jedi fight. Closed the distance and killed him. This force pushing annihilation isn't accurate at all. Windu stomped him but he isn't Khan.
Nope, Im not kidding, and since you seem to be the only one here who thinks Khan would beat Yoda, I think youre kidding yourself here.Also, and honest question here, but when did Jango take on Yoda, I dont remember that at all. He tried taking on Mace and failed miserably, fought well enough against Obi Wan, but I dont believe Jango ever fought Yoda.
Khan is smarter, better skill feats, better weaponry, etc.
Khan would mow Yoda down. Palpatine blasted him, easily.