Originally posted by quanchi112
i don't have to. We plainly see an older man resist an all out force push. That is not impressive. Comparing Khan physically to Palpatine is a joke. If that is your claim you need to prove it.Then the force push is useless because we never see him use his powers in the manner in which you describe.
He is easy to track just not to hit. You are finally catching on. Khan's firepower and skill are too much. He has never missed and has two guns. One of which has superior firepower while the other having successive quick blasts. Too much to overcome for Yoda.
Khan does not take on a single threat the size of Yoda. I mean Dear Lord. If he is matched up against one opponent what does common sense scream to you. Quit being dishonest to not only me but yourself. Everyone has seen the Klingon destruction scene.
That has never been my claim. Once again, you are claiming things in my stead, apparently without even reading my posts. Here, allow me to give you a second chance to read what I have written. This time I will put it in bold, to make sure it stands out and you can read it clearly.
If phaser blasts knocked people out through kinetic force, why does no one go flying from the impact of each shot? It is more likely that phasers stun by disrupting a body's function. If you believe otherwise, please provide evidence showing phaser blasts sending those struck by them careening backwards any amount of distance.
The manner in which I describe his powers is the basic manner of the power in question. Once again, This is a moot point regardless, as I am now arguing under the pretense of Yoda not needing his offensive Force powers.
I think you are the one who is not catching on. Try reading my words more carefully this time (I have put them in bold this time too, to help you).
If Yoda were so easy to track, then surely he would have succumbed to the constant barrage of blaster fire from his foes, would he not? Yet that is never the case. The Jedi Master does deflect some bolts, but overall he is well and clear of any shots hitting their mark.
As for Khan, he suffers from limited showings. He hits his targets, yes, but they are rather large compared to Yoda. He has two guns, but he will have to take time to switch between using each, which is dangerous given his proximity to Yoda. The firepower of his larger weapon is greater, but there is no evidence it is unable to be deflected by a lightsaber.
You could have stopped at "Khan does not take on a single threat the size of Yoda." That means he is unaware of and unprepared to fight a being much smaller and faster than him. He might even let his guard down, thinking such a small creature unworthy. That puts him at a distinct disadvantage.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I posted evidence. Not to you since you just flame and insult due to the lack of debating skill you do not possess.
Read the thread again Quan. Bitween the two of us, I'm the only one who ACTUALLY did.
So you say I don't possess a lack of debating skills? Why thank you. 😆
I see Yoda just crushing him with the Force.
If it was someone like Obi-Wan we were talking about, then yeah I'd admit Khan would be a threat(providing Khan has all those weapons, and the fight starts with some distance), but I still see Kenobi taking him down with moderate difficulty.
But against Yoda, just don't see Khan as a threat at all.
Wow 1 person voted for Yoda to flee in shame 😂
Originally posted by quanchi112I would like to point out that in the previous scene you're mentioning Yoda generated enough force with a simple hand gesture to knock out two elite Guards.
i don't have to. We plainly see an older man resist an all out force push. That is not impressive. Comparing Khan physically to Palpatine is a joke. If that is your claim you need to prove it.Then the force push is useless because we never see him use his powers in the manner in which you describe.
He is easy to track just not to hit. You are finally catching on. Khan's firepower and skill are too much. He has never missed and has two guns. One of which has superior firepower while the other having successive quick blasts. Too much to overcome for Yoda.
Khan does not take on a single threat the size of Yoda. I mean Dear Lord. If he is matched up against one opponent what does common sense scream to you. Quit being dishonest to not only me but yourself. Everyone has seen the Klingon destruction scene.
So Yoda's force pushing powers aren't weak by any means.
Originally posted by XanatosForeverThey don't create the force to send a body backwards but a push can unlike a punch. What do you think ko's more people ? I mean try to think about it before you raise a silly point. You are asking me to disprove your silly claim which is not how it works.
That has never been my claim. Once again, you are claiming things in my stead, apparently without even reading my posts. Here, allow me to give you a second chance to read what I have written. This time I will put it in [b]bold, to make sure it stands out and you can read it clearly.If phaser blasts knocked people out through kinetic force, why does no one go flying from the impact of each shot? It is more likely that phasers stun by disrupting a body's function. If you believe otherwise, please provide evidence showing phaser blasts sending those struck by them careening backwards any amount of distance.
The manner in which I describe his powers is the basic manner of the power in question. Once again, This is a moot point regardless, as I am now arguing under the pretense of Yoda not needing his offensive Force powers.
I think you are the one who is not catching on. Try reading my words more carefully this time (I have put them in bold this time too, to help you).
If Yoda were so easy to track, then surely he would have succumbed to the constant barrage of blaster fire from his foes, would he not? Yet that is never the case. The Jedi Master does deflect some bolts, but overall he is well and clear of any shots hitting their mark.
As for Khan, he suffers from limited showings. He hits his targets, yes, but they are rather large compared to Yoda. He has two guns, but he will have to take time to switch between using each, which is dangerous given his proximity to Yoda. The firepower of his larger weapon is greater, but there is no evidence it is unable to be deflected by a lightsaber.
You could have stopped at "Khan does not take on a single threat the size of Yoda." That means he is unaware of and unprepared to fight a being much smaller and faster than him. He might even let his guard down, thinking such a small creature unworthy. That puts him at a distinct disadvantage. [/B]
He is easy to track not to hit. Watch the scene. They don't have a problem firing at him they have a problem hitting him. He blocks their blasts that is why. More watch the scene.
He hits people from a much further distance than fifty feet with his focus and attention over a cluttered battlefield with multiple opponents and Klingons trying to kill him. Much greater degree of difficulty than one small muppet waving a laser sword around.
There is no evidence Yoda can block something this powerful since it destroys bodies far easier than any of the guns in Star Wars. It also destroys ships so no proof that he can block something this powerful.
Khan is going to shoot at his foe until he kills him. No reason to assume Khan suddenly becomes merciful or stupid here. The guy always stacks the deck in his favor and destroys his foes.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zerobitween, eh ? 😂
Read the thread again Quan. Bitween the two of us, I'm the only one who ACTUALLY did.So you say I don't possess a lack of debating skills? Why thank you. 😆
Wrong. You flamed. You lost. Just sit on the sidelines if you can't leave your emotions out of this.
Originally posted by NewjakWe are not entirely sure since we do not see everything. Obi or Yoda might have killed them off screen.
I would like to point out that in the previous scene you're mentioning Yoda generated enough force with a simple hand gesture to knock out two elite Guards.So Yoda's force pushing powers aren't weak by any means.
They are weak since they never ko'd a geriatric.
Originally posted by quanchi112
bitween, eh ? 😂Wrong. You flamed. You lost. Just sit on the sidelines if you can't leave your emotions out of this.
For someone who misspells entire sentences, you pick one letter out? What are you, 3?
To answer your retort in numerical fashion
#1: Bullshit. I did, and you had no counter besides the 5 sec spin-up, which was beside my point entirely.
#2: I flamed because you were being nonsensical and stupid for 15 pages here, and hundreds elsewhere.
#3: Don't even pretend you ever actually won, you didn't, and as the poll and every other poster has clearly pointed out, you have no counter to the massive amount of evidence against you, you never will win.
#4: Incorrect, emotion is not detrimental to a debate. But you know what is detrimental? When you are as stupid as a bag of hammers and you are as stuborn as a mule. Which would, coincidentally explain your ass clown origins...
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroKhan wins. Simple he wins as his firepower is more than anything Yoda has ever blocked before. Khan has the skills, accuracy, firepower, and physically acumen to destroy someone with a laser sword fifty feet away. Watch how Yoda fares against laser guns. He stands there and blocks them. He doesn't evade and dart all over the place. This is not a laser sword fight.
For someone who misspells entire sentences, you pick one letter out? What are you, 3?To answer your retort in numerical fashion
#1: Bullshit. I did, and you had no counter besides the 5 sec spin-up, which was beside my point entirely.
#2: I flamed because you were being nonsensical and stupid for 15 pages here, and hundreds elsewhere.
#3: Don't even pretend you ever actually won, you didn't, and as the poll and every other poster has clearly pointed out, you have no counter to the massive amount of evidence against you, you never will win.
#4: Incorrect, emotion is not detrimental to a debate. But you know what is detrimental? When you are as stupid as a bag of hammers and you are as stuborn as a mule. Which would, coincidentally explain your ass clown origins...
I won't respond to your emotional outbursts just the debate. 😉
Originally posted by quanchi112
Khan wins. Simple he wins as his firepower is more than anything Yoda has ever blocked before. Khan has the skills, accuracy, firepower, and physically acumen to destroy someone with a laser sword fifty feet away. Watch how Yoda fares against laser guns. He stands there and blocks them. He doesn't evade and dart all over the place. This is not a laser sword fight.I won't respond to your emotional outbursts just the debate. 😉
No, because you have not proven that Khan can actually hit someone so small and fast, nor have you proven the limit of which the lightsaber can block. And if you bring up the DS Superlaser as a counterpoint, let me remind you that there is a GIGANTIC difference between Khan's gun, and the Superlaser, the two are not even remotely comparable
And Yoda has the skills, accuracy, speed, tactical acumen and the force with all it's abilities backing him, which is more than enough for him to take out a dude with pocket artillery.
And as I explained to you numerous times in this thread alone, this fight is an out-of-context situation for both fighters. You are simply scripting to purely what we have seen, and you have absolutely no creative drive whatsoever. Neither Yoda nor Khan are going to fight exactly as we have seen onscreen, because their opponent is not like what they have faced before. But you like to script events to your personal tailored and narrow minded viewpoint that everyone else MUST be wrong, which is not the correct way to debate theoretical vs matches such as this.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroHere we don't see Yoda as fast at all. He kills the clones but stands still and has to block many blasts. Where do you get this stuff from ?
No, because you have not proven that Khan can actually hit someone so small and fast, nor have you proven the limit of which the lightsaber can block. And if you bring up the DS Superlaser as a counterpoint, let me remind you that there is a GIGANTIC difference between Khan's gun, and the Superlaser, the two are not even remotely comparableAnd Yoda has the skills, accuracy, speed, tactical acumen and the force with all it's abilities backing him, which is more than enough for him to take out a dude with pocket artillery.
And as I explained to you numerous times in this thread alone, this fight is an out-of-context situation for both fighters. You are simply scripting to purely what we have seen, and you have absolutely no creative drive whatsoever. Neither Yoda nor Khan are going to fight exactly as we have seen onscreen, because their opponent is not like what they have faced before. But you like to script events to your personal tailored and narrow minded viewpoint that everyone else MUST be wrong, which is not the correct way to debate theoretical vs matches such as this.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bRV-C9qBaYA
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F941YgqWr0Y
Based on these two scenes it is obvious. Yoda is someone who is at a huge disadvantage here. We see far less than Khan easily shoot in Yoda's direction. Khan in a much more hostile environment and against many foes shows the skills and what not to destroy them all converging on him at the same time with his attention split. Khan is facing one guy with a sword and who was easily fired at by the clones. They had no problem tracking him just hitting him.
Khan downs ships and destroys bodies unlike the laser guns Yoda deflects in the Star Wars universe. Please watch the clips and quit making things up. Thanks.
Khan's artillery is more powerful than Palpatine's lighting which ko'd poor little fella.
Khan mows him down based on the evidence.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Here we don't see Yoda as fast at all. He kills the clones but stands still and has to block many blasts. Where do you get this stuff from ?
Obviously you are watching the scene with beer goggles. Yoda and Obi are covering for eachother as much as themselves, WAY to misread context, it's not as though they actually remained stationary. (What with Yoda throwing his saber into the chest of a Clone Trooper then jumping onto his chest and ripping the saber out. But please, do continue to prove your visual acumen.
Originally posted by quanchi112
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F941YgqWr0YBased on these two scenes it is obvious. Yoda is someone who is at a huge disadvantage here. We see far less than Khan easily shoot in Yoda's direction. Khan in a much more hostile environment and against many foes shows the skills and what not to destroy them all converging on him at the same time with his attention split. Khan is facing one guy with a sword and who was easily fired at by the clones. They had no problem tracking him just hitting him.
Khan does not move at all throughout that entire sequence, AND the Klingons were being shot at from numerous angles by the other Enterprise crewmembers, obviously dividing their attention. You are TERRIBLE at this kid. That is a bad showing for the Klingons, not a great one for Khan.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Khan downs ships and destroys bodies unlike the laser guns Yoda deflects in the Star Wars universe. Please watch the clips and quoit making things up. Thanks.
He downed a tiny recon patrol vessel by shooting it's cockpit. Yoda could throw those things like he did with the X-Wing when he was older and weaker. See? I can downplay one feat and up play another in the same sentence too.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Khan's artillery is more powerful than Palpatine's lighting which ko'd poor little fella.
You haven't watched RotS all the way through yet have you? He wasn't knocked out, he played possum long enough to draw Palps close enough for a Force Blast.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Khan mows him down based on the evidence.
Khan misses based on him only hitting a recon vessel underground with the weapon in question. Don't try scripting again. Later we see him blast a few Klingons who charge him in a linear fashion, classic mook Storm trooper behaviour. Yoda is not a mook.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroThey are which is awesome because a force far smaller and less powerful than the Klingons and. Yoda needed help. 😂
Obviously you are watching the scene with beer goggles. Yoda and Obi are covering for eachother as much as themselves, WAY to misread context, it's not as though they actually remained stationary. (What with Yoda throwing his saber into the chest of a Clone Trooper then [b]jumping onto his chest and ripping the saber out. But please, do continue to prove your visual acumen.Khan does not move at all throughout that entire sequence, AND the Klingons were being shot at from numerous angles by the other Enterprise crewmembers, obviously dividing their attention. You are TERRIBLE at this kid. That is a bad showing for the Klingons, not a great one for Khan.
He downed a tiny recon patrol vessel by shooting it's cockpit. Yoda could throw those things like he did with the X-Wing when he was older and weaker. See? I can downplay one feat and up play another in the same sentence too.
You haven't watched RotS all the way through yet have you? He wasn't knocked out, he played possum long enough to draw Palps close enough for a Force Blast.
Khan misses based on him only hitting a recon vessel underground with the weapon in question. Don't try scripting again. [/B]
We see them both stand by and block blasts because they have to. Yes, we see Yoda throw a saber and guess what he is slow and much slower than a laser blast. Very slow Yoda compared to a gun. He is not hard to track at all. Proven by the clip.
Khan moves the the entire time. He knocks someone back and dances around shooting in all directions. We also see him jump down and take out Klingons with blades. Watch the clip. Your ignorance is astounding.
Khan downs two vessels. Watch the clip again. You seemed to close your eyes and make things up. Yoda needed Obi against a few clones. Pathetic.
He was ko'd and while he tainted and laughed Yoda came to. Please watch the scene. 😂
Khan hit everyone he tried to. Unlike Yoda and Palpatine for instance. Yoda was ko'd, disarmed, and humiliated.
Originally posted by quanchi112
They are which is awesome because a force far smaller and less powerful than the Klingons and. Yoda needed help. 😂
Right, several Enterprise crew swarming all over and firing phaser shots is not even remotely the same thing amirite? Once again, your full of it.
Originally posted by quanchi112
We see them both stand by and block blasts because they have to. Yes, we see Yoda throw a saber and guess what he is slow and much slower than a laser blast. Very slow Yoda compared to a gun. He is not hard to track at all. Proven by the clip.
You are dense as stone. Watch his fight scenes with Dooku or Palps again them. Your talking about the LAST GUY HE KILLED. You are atrociously dishonest about context.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Khan moves the the entire time. He knocks someone back and dances around shooting in all directions. We also see him jump down and take out Klingons with blades. Watch the clip. Your ignorance is astounding.
He stayed by that same window for most of that clip Quan.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Khan downs two vessels. Watch the clip again. You seemed to close your eyes and make things up. Yoda needed Obi against a few clones. Pathetic.
I did. Same vessels, no difference, I'm pretty sure I accounted it for being more than a one shot weapon.
That said, I guess Yoda decapitating the 1st 2 clones on Kasshyyk in the speed of instant doesn't count, because that would f**k your thesis right in the down under. 😉
Originally posted by quanchi112
He was ko'd and while he tainted and laughed Yoda came to. Please watch the scene. 😂
Right, because coming to from being knocked unconscious makes one immediately aware of what was going on. That was a TRAGIC rebuttal on your part.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Khan hit everyone he tried to. Unlike Yoda and Palpatine for instance. Yoda was ko'd, disarmed, and humiliated.
Right, from an opponent far superior to khan in every way that matters. Not looking good for Mr. Singh I'm afraid.